Mooks HQ, HJ, HX, HZ, WB Sandman Mockup

[mook]

Just looking for some advice on headlights.
I have purchased some Halogen headlights which accept H1 & H4 style globes.
Just wondering what colour temp would be appropriate 3000k or 3300k? Any thoughts?
Does anyone know what colour temp the original globes would have been.

[the ski man]

being a fully trained lighting guy, you can trust this advice.

sealed beam headlights when new are about 3000 Kelvin, but they dull off after age to be around the 2600K mark. if you also have the halogen high beams then you can convert to whatever globes you want across all your lights and generally even get close to matching parking globes too.

in order to stray from your question and go technical for a moment, the bluer (or 'whiter' as the auto industry suggests) the globe is then the less bright it actually becomes. light output isnt measured in colour tempature this is simply a perception that a whiter tone must be 'brighter'. this notion is simply sales BS that is far from correct - especially with filament based globes.

in order to make a globe bright white they take a standard white globe ~3000K colour temp and apply a blue filter to tint the light output, in doing so they limit the amount of lumens the globe itself produces. this lumens figure is the actual brightness of the globe. to put it in simpler terms, the colour temp value (or brightness) is literally a figure for the tone of the colour, but for illumination distance and overall brightness its the lumen value thats important

have a look at http://www.narva.com.au/products/bro...ormance-globes and they have a little graph that indicates colour temp against lumen output for their globes. the thing to note is how their 'brightest' blue globe is actually the least bright in lumens. this is because the blue filter is cutting out the majority of the red and green spectrum from the natural white light.

I currently have standard 3000k 50w globes in my van (H4 outers and H1? inners) these are fair brighter tha the old sealed ones i used to have.

skiman

[TwoTees]

being a fully trained lighting guy, you can trust this advice.

sealed beam headlights when new are about 3000 Kelvin, but they dull off after age to be around the 2600K mark. if you also have the halogen high beams then you can convert to whatever globes you want across all your lights and generally even get close to matching parking globes too.

in order to stray from your question and go technical for a moment, the bluer (or 'whiter' as the auto industry suggests) the globe is then the less bright it actually becomes. light output isnt measured in colour tempature this is simply a perception that a whiter tone must be 'brighter'. this notion is simply sales BS that is far from correct - especially with filament based globes.

in order to make a globe bright white they take a standard white globe ~3000K colour temp and apply a blue filter to tint the light output, in doing so they limit the amount of lumens the globe itself produces. this lumens figure is the actual brightness of the globe. to put it in simpler terms, the colour temp value (or brightness) is literally a figure for the tone of the colour, but for illumination distance and overall brightness its the lumen value thats important

have a look at http://www.narva.com.au/products/bro...ormance-globes and they have a little graph that indicates colour temp against lumen output for their globes. the thing to note is how their 'brightest' blue globe is actually the least bright in lumens. this is because the blue filter is cutting out the majority of the red and green spectrum from the natural white light.

I currently have standard 3000k 50w globes in my van (H4 outers and H1? inners) these are fair brighter tha the old sealed ones i used to have.

skiman

Hey Ski Man,
It sound like you know your stuff here. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on Xenon upgrades. I have heard they are good but not perhaps legal. Draw lower current so no excessive load on the old wiring.
What do you think?

Cheers, Chris

[stickthis]

xneon are not legal unless:

You have projector headlights
Self Leveling Rear Suspension
Wiper on your headlights.

So no they are not legal.

I had them in my VT Senator before the emu I hit smashed them. They are not cheap. About $400-$500 for a decent set. Chinease ones dont waste your money!
I had 6000k. So legal. Only thing I didnt have was wipers on the headlights.

Xneon are great. But there is also some brilliant globs on the market these days so xneon are not that much better anymore that a top of the range globe.

[agr071]

I used to have 100/140 in the outers and 150W on the inners.
Now only have 90/130 in the outers.

[Rico]

Sorry if I have missed a post Mook, what colour IS that? It looks sensational mate, very well done! Great shine good panel work! Its goin to be one humdinger of a rig when its done! Great job!

[mook]

being a fully trained lighting guy, you can trust this advice.

sealed beam headlights when new are about 3000 Kelvin, but they dull off after age to be around the 2600K mark. if you also have the halogen high beams then you can convert to whatever globes you want across all your lights and generally even get close to matching parking globes too.

in order to stray from your question and go technical for a moment, the bluer (or 'whiter' as the auto industry suggests) the globe is then the less bright it actually becomes. light output isnt measured in colour tempature this is simply a perception that a whiter tone must be 'brighter'. this notion is simply sales BS that is far from correct - especially with filament based globes.

in order to make a globe bright white they take a standard white globe ~3000K colour temp and apply a blue filter to tint the light output, in doing so they limit the amount of lumens the globe itself produces. this lumens figure is the actual brightness of the globe. to put it in simpler terms, the colour temp value (or brightness) is literally a figure for the tone of the colour, but for illumination distance and overall brightness its the lumen value thats important

have a look at http://www.narva.com.au/products/bro...ormance-globes and they have a little graph that indicates colour temp against lumen output for their globes. the thing to note is how their 'brightest' blue globe is actually the least bright in lumens. this is because the blue filter is cutting out the majority of the red and green spectrum from the natural white light.

I currently have standard 3000k 50w globes in my van (H4 outers and H1? inners) these are fair brighter tha the old sealed ones i used to have.

skiman

Sounds like I'm on the right track ski man. I was looking at either 3000k or 3300k, I think that ill go for the 3000k headlamps for the more traditional look.

Thannkyou for your help.

The colour is Jamacian (or Jamaica) Lime (HJ) colour, Cheers Rico

[Rico]

Sen-bloody-sational job mate! how longs the build taken?

[the ski man]

Sounds like I'm on the right track ski man. I was looking at either 3000k or 3300k, I think that ill go for the 3000k headlamps for the more traditional look.

yep, as Oz said get high wattage ones too, just make sure the housings your putting the globes in are not plastic, and are full glass. my bro put halogen housings into his hq tonner then bulked up the wattage and the lenses went milky and became warped due to heat.

[wbute]

Yeah there are other problems you can encounter when trying to make old lights brighter. I put relays on my high beam circuit and ran bigger wattage globes. No dramas you would think...... turns out that the standard wb headlight plug (and earlier ones will have the same drama) are not a good enough connection for the higher power draw. Because they are a loose fitting connection they create huge resistance which equals heat and the plugs melted. Relay or no relay the fittings will never be up to the extra power draw.
I only wanted to upgrade the low beam so when I dipped my lights they were slightly brighter than a candle. Driving lights fix high beam.