Is a Sandman still a Samdman?????

[ozbox]

Just to throw another angle, what if the chassis is replaced with another out of same model Sandman, it would still be made up of Sandman components just not all matching from the factory.

unless you grind off or find a blank chassis and restamp the chassis number it still will not match the tag....NOT A SANDMAN...
(**** me how many times will i have to type this before people realise wtf im talkin about and get it in their heads that if the numbers dont match between chassis and tag it cannot ever be a sandman again legally)...
on a purely spiritual level it can be..:Rasta:

ooooo..i know pictures...:knockout:

[ambientgoat]

My understanding was the chassis was always the car. People have been doing body swaps on tonners for as long as I remember.
So if you put a HZ chassis under a previously HQ tonner you now have to worry about emission regulations as the rego people see it as a HZ.

Personally, my view is, it'd be ideal to have the original body and cars that have never had the ID plates removed are generally worth more. But for a car that's famous as beach mobile, I'd rather see rusted out sandman's get a replacement shell than head to the wreckers and eventually be turned into a new fridge.

Looks like I took too long to write this and Byron beat me too it.

[ozbox]

YOU NEED THESE 2 TOO MATCH otherwise it can never be a sandman....

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too expand on what byron has said regarding identity and chassis...
the sinbox was built from a registered wb utility that had a pre engineering regulations 350 chev installed..and a wb panelvan body..
when i changed the body i did not change the identity of the ute but i changed the body shape..
i legally had the body shape and weight changed with out effecting new registration because i had not changed the identity of the original ute which was the chassis with the 350 chev in it..
the sinbox only runs 2 tags..one from the original ute which matches the chassis and one from the panelvan which shows body shape..i was instructed to do this by the authorised examiner so this blows the theory on ...(its illegal to remove and replace tags)

[tantrum]

so... is it a Sandman if is was built in 2006? I see there were a lot of HBD Sandmans produced, but they do not feature here? is that cause they are to new?

[HK1837]

No, they are VU, VY or VZ utes with canopy. "Sandman" as we know it (otherwise coded as XX7 and later XU3) was a defined vehicle package, consisting of a few vehicle models upon which the option code of XX7 (HQ-mid HJ) or XU3 (mid HJ-HZ) was added. In HQ it consisted basically of:

1. A few component options like XS6 (buckets) and N66 (Rally type wheels).

2. Feature changes, like GTS front fenders, blackouts, deletion of rocker mouldings (380, 480).

3. A decal package for dealer fitment.

By the time HX was released you could significantly modify the Sandman package in two ways only:

Ordering XX7 package instead of XU3 package - gave you passenger tyres.
Choosing DL7 - delete stripes.

Of course you could option any other options available on the parent vehicle eg V8, auto, aircon, power steering, mudflaps etc.

So having digested all that, the whole concept that the Sandman was anything special should be quashed. It is not a model (like Premier wagon, Kingswood utility etc). It was not a premium performance option package on a lesser vehicle (like XU1 on GTR, L34 on XU2 on SL/R or XW8 on HQ Kingswood). It was simply an option package available on a few commercial models that gave you more options for a better price than you would have been able to build yourself plus some feature changes not available as options on that model (eg GTS guards). It is identical in most ways to other packages like Vacationer, Ambulance, Taxi etc. In today's terms we are talking Vspec on top of Calais or SS or other such packaged options on Cruze, Commodore, Holden, Statesman whatever.
Back to Holden putting canopies on a ute and calling them Sandman is no different to putting bolt on flares on a Cruze and calling it a Torana. Or any of us painting up a modified WB and putting Sandman stripes on it, and calling it a Sandman!

Geez, what a long winded way to say no!

[tantrum]

yip, long winded way to say no. hmmmm, so for a vehicle that was a std factory unit, that was then shipped up to the hsv plant, fitted with a genuine HBD canopy, fitted with speacial hsv mags, badged with Sandman graphics and exported to NZ as a genuine Holden Promotional vehicle and launched at a promotional event as a SS Sandman, it's not a sandman!!!

I suppose, at least it's one of three only that were produced in that model, and then no more were made, it's pretty rare.:lol:

[HK1837]

If Holden sold it as a Sandman, then it would be a Sandman, albeit very different to the original Sandman. But to me (you said it in one), it was a promotional vehicle, and not a production vehicle, and as such fits into the same category as the Ewe't, GTR-X, Old man Emu, WA Kingswood just to name a few! Very rare, very desirable and one day probably very valuable. Ben Stewart told me he drove one of the two (can't remember if it was the ute or the ute with canopy) around Lang Lang at some ridiculous speed, but never got a photo of it.
Actually thinking about it, the closest thing today to the original Sandman concept of a sports utility is a VG-VZ S pack ute. Think about it, sports options on a base vehicle (ie Holden utility), choice of 6cyl or V8, manual or auto, mandatory floor shift, bucket seats, alloy wheels, FE2 suspension, sports dash, different paint spec etc. As far as I can recall the first of the SV8 was VG ute and the last was VZ cab chassis?

[wbute]

yip, long winded way to say no. hmmmm, so for a vehicle that was a std factory unit, that was then shipped up to the hsv plant, fitted with a genuine HBD canopy, fitted with speacial hsv mags, badged with Sandman graphics and exported to NZ as a genuine Holden Promotional vehicle and launched at a promotional event as a SS Sandman, it's not a sandman!!!

I suppose, at least it's one of three only that were produced in that model, and then no more were made, it's pretty rare.:lol:

That does not mean if Holden were to re-release a Sandman that it would not be accepted here. I would think they would be purchased by quite a few members on here!
They should do it!

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[/COLOR]i say yes Absinth if there is documented proof.

I also say that this sight is not a numbers dominated site so lets get back to the ordinary conversation and leave the numbers to other sites? Everybody just enjoy the cool stickers and even those who dont like the cool stickers enjoy them anyway!