HQ Sandman - Consoles

[Absinth]

Thanks Byron,

So there is no such thing as a factory black natural finish sports fascia... type 4.

1) chrome fishscale????
2) chrome fishscale with translucent paint.... no change to part No. ????
3) woodgrain finish


There are three console lid and shifter surround finishes..
1) chrome fishscale
2) Chrome fishscale with textured vinyl covered metal insert panels
3) chrome fishscale with woodgrained black plastic insert panels.

Group 15.292 and 15.293
Chrome fishscale is listed as GTS and SS only. Is this the same as your 77 catalogue or is there maybe a Sandman reference.

I would like to confirm which is correct for a Sandman as it appears from the catalogues the black insert ones are. The Sandman brochure shows fishscale but it could be they used a photo of the GTS 4sp shifter and console.

Also interesting which I hadn't noticed before.... the console, lid and shifter surrounds are listed for body style 35, 37 and 69 only. So according to my Oct. 73 catalogue consoles weren't available in Commercials.

[HK1837]

It would appear that way. As far as I know none or only very early had the shiny chrome finish, and this was quickly changed so part number wouldn't change and no spare parts of it would be sold. This makes sense too as this is how early HJ were ie all other models used same fascia as GTS, even Premier and LS in HJ.

I've actually got what I think is a late HJ or HX black fascia here somewhere, I should get you to repair it and keep it for reference. Would be good to get a whole set of pictures together of all types. I have a NOS SL/E one here, which could be used for LE example too. The silver HJ dash in my Premier is perfect. Do others have perfect examples of the rest?

15.292 lists LID ASSEMBLY:

2816801 Belmont, Kingswood and Monaro exc SS and XV4/XW8
2816805 Prem, Statesman & LS plus GTS and SS although I suspect there is some superceding going on here as SS/XV4/XW8 listed on a different line to GTS and Prem/LS/Statesman different line again.

Yep, above has superceding going on. 11/71 15.292 shows:

2816801 Kingswood and Monaro
2816800 Prem, Statesman & LS
2816805 GTS.


The only mention of Sandman is in 15.293 COVER - Ash tray aperture 2829910. Same p/n as Prem and Statesman when ashtray in armrest, and also 4 door GTS with power windows. I suspect there is superceding here too, need a 1974 cattledog to check Sandman out.

11/71 15.293 shows the same breakup as for 15.292:

2817277 - Cover manual console Kingswood and Monaro
2816964 - Cover manual console Premier, LS, Deville
2816965 - Cover manual console GTS

Spot on. Keep it a secret!

[Absinth]

It would appear that way. As far as I know none or only very early had the shiny chrome finish, and this was quickly changed so part number wouldn't change and no spare parts of it would be sold. This makes sense too as this is how early HJ were ie all other models used same fascia as GTS, even Premier and LS in HJ.

I am fairly confident the chrome dash was used in early 71 GTS, I have seen an early brochure that the fascia is bright chrome. There is also the fact that the Torana GTX prototype had a bright chrome fishscale dash fascia.

I've actually got what I think is a late HJ or HX black fascia here somewhere, I should get you to repair it and keep it for reference.

Easy to tell which model it is. HJ fascia will either have the blanking piece intact over the left vent hole or there will be evidence of it being cut out for forced air ventilation. IE saw marks around the edges. HX fascia's were moulded with an open vent hole so will have a factory moulded appearance. Happy to repair yours for you, what does it need repaired?

15.292 lists LID ASSEMBLY:

2816801 Belmont, Kingswood and Monaro exc SS and XV4/XW8
2816805 Prem, Statesman & LS plus GTS and SS although I suspect there is some superceding going on here as SS/XV4/XW8 listed on a different line to GTS and Prem/LS/Statesman different line again.

Yep, above has superceding going on. 11/71 15.292 shows:

2816801 Kingswood and Monaro
2816800 Prem, Statesman & LS
2816805 GTS.

Makes sense. The same chrome lid and auto shifter surround was used through to HZ so were still readily available. HJ to HZ had the black metal insert panels so they too were carry on from HQ. HJ to HZ used a different pattern woodgrain so wouldn't match HQ Premier, LS or Statesman. HJ used the same shifter surrounds as HQ so were most likely still available in 77 also.

[wbute]

Why did they pull out of the GTR-X. Stupid bean counters!

[GNW1974]

My ute 5/74 has Chestnut interior, steering is column is Chestnut but has been painted black somewhere along the line - I'm sure by a prior owner..., same with indicator stalk. Console looks to be in the same boat ie: painted black... All dash knobs are black.

I am the 5th owner but have had it for over 25 years and it hadn't been messed with too much when I got it, but it is hard to know exactly what things should be like. Have included a pic of console, not sure is this is what is being referring to as a 74 inertia reel console or not, but I'm pretty sure that this would be the orginal console. Note that footwell trims from WB and gearbox boot is not original, also used to have viynl floor in Chestnut. Cheers

I have a copy of all the Kingswood interior trims from the Parts book for 1974, can let you know your trim accurately if you want. Let me know the trim code and I will give you the combo. If it is a Belmont I am in trouble.

[AN5590]

I have a copy of all the Kingswood interior trims from the Parts book for 1974, can let you know your trim accurately if you want. Let me know the trim code and I will give you the combo. If it is a Belmont I am in trouble.

Thanks - the trim code on my ute is 1878 - 39E which I understand is straight Chestnut vinyl - no inserts etc. What I am still not sure about is should the console be black or chestnut? Also my ute only has small/low rear mounting bracket for the console the front screws just go straight into the floor - is that normal for HQ's? Cheers

[mauser]

Thanks - the trim code on my ute is 1878 - 39E which I understand is straight Chestnut vinyl - no inserts etc. What I am still not sure about is should the console be black or chestnut?

haha if you find out tell the rest of us.. :-) I dont know why every chestnut HQ Sandman pv or ute on the internet has a inertia black console.

Mauser

[AN5590]

I dont know why every chestnut HQ Sandman pv or ute on the internet has a inertia black console. Mauser

Maybe that's the answer - black... (also edited my post re: console mounting brackets - any insights on this one?)

[mauser]

Hq Console Mount - Front



Hq Console Mount - Rear



Hj-Z Console Mount - Front



HJ-Z Console Mount - Rear




Mauser.. :-)

[GNW1974]

Thanks - the trim code on my ute is 1878 - 39E which I understand is straight Chestnut vinyl - no inserts etc. What I am still not sure about is should the console be black or chestnut? Also my ute only has small/low rear mounting bracket for the console the front screws just go straight into the floor - is that normal for HQ's? Cheers

The trim list makes no mention of the console colour so we are none the wiser. My original Sandman was Chestnut in colour and the console in it was black, as was the carpets. I think the console was a HJ type and the carpet may have been repalced as the ute had been repainted a later Sandman colour and the doors retrimmed. Seats, dash and Steering wheel definatley original, as were the original guards.

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Thanks - the trim code on my ute is 1878 - 39E which I understand is straight Chestnut vinyl - no inserts etc. What I am still not sure about is should the console be black or chestnut? Also my ute only has small/low rear mounting bracket for the console the front screws just go straight into the floor - is that normal for HQ's? Cheers

What colour is 1878, is it Chestnut as well

the ute I have bought is 1882-38J