cheers thanks for the links.. Im loving all the help.. I just lost a fair bit of car funds to school books and a ford EF (my Daily see other post for info) that has yet another problem... I'm thinking after looking at a few WB's and HZ's in person that i like the HZ body better.. Specially the HZ back... (Ewww WB taillights hahah) but yeah yet another setback :(