Another "is this a sandman" question, sorry

[harvo]

Hi everyone, just signed up and it's a great site.


Anyhow the van in question is my fathers, he's had it for over 20 years. He love's the thing as do I and we are considering restoring it.

So the info I've got from the van is

8M70TJL441018Z

HZ8WM70
Body No#: 441018-A
Trim: 1189-63C
Paint: 568-10681

Engine: L31
Trans: M21
Axle: GV4

It's got twin light front, gts dash & mirrors, buckets, console, full roof lining....

Just as a side note we had a guy telling us a fanciful story that this van is one of only 3 HZ's painted in this color, I'm still not convinced it's a sandman.

Appreciate all opinions and I'll throw up a pic too





Cheers Dan

[Blocker]

A 1980 HZ... the last Sandman van rolled off the line in October 1979.

That paint code you have supplied, I cannot find a reference to it in the HZ Sandman paint list. Maybe someone can enlighten us a bit better.

[Absinth]

1189 is Spanish Red which is a 1969 HT colour so it is a rare colour on a HZ. 63C trim code is Buckskin which was not available on late base model HZ's unless it was a Sandman.

I would like to see pics of the 3 plates as it does appear to be a Sandman. We need to see the build date, GVW and if it is a two seater. I assume it has a full headlining.

More info and pics are needed to identify this van....

[Blocker]

Absinth,
I agree need to see adr plate, but the vin plate indicates it was a 1980 build. This might be interesting.

[HZSandman]

I can not find the paint code anywhere (10681), are you sure it is not 10981 (firethorn Red) which is a late HZ colour?

Very interesting van.

Has signs of plenty of modifications. WB rear lights, side skirting, no black door handles, but the doors look a different shade of red which may suggest they have been replaced. I noticed there is no GTS mirror on the 2nd picture as well, indictating bingle/new door. If it is in original paint??? it shows signs of Sandman with the blackouts.

All 3 tags please.

[harvo]

I can not find the paint code anywhere (10681), are you sure it is not 10981 (firethorn Red) which is a late HZ colour?

Very interesting van.

Has signs of plenty of modifications. WB rear lights, side skirting, no black door handles, but the doors look a different shade of red which may suggest they have been replaced. I noticed there is no GTS mirror on the 2nd picture as well, indictating bingle/new door. If it is in original paint??? it shows signs of Sandman with the blackouts.

All 3 tags please.

Paint code could have been mixed up easy enough

Handles are black there just shitty pics, and dad prefers the WB lights:errf: paint is really bad 20+ years as a work truck and never garaged, the mirrors were pilfered for the new work hack too

Black handles and some rear trim (and the new mule)


Cheers

[Absinth]

I can not find the paint code anywhere (10681), are you sure it is not 10981 (firethorn Red) which is a late HZ colour?

Ian's right...

I had a blond moment and forgot about Firethorn Red. Holden re-named Spanish Red for the HZ and Commodore range and yes the paint code is 10981.

Guys, with the codes..... 1189 in the trim code is Holdens code for exterior trim colour (paint colour) Spanish Red in HT and Firethorn Red in HZ. The paint code of 568-10981 ..... 568 is the code for a solid colour (not metallic) and 10981 is the paint manufacturers code for Spanish Red/Firethorn Red (Dulux I believe).

The 1980 date code is fine on the VIN as the new year for Holden started at the end of September from memory.... so it can be stamped with a 10-79, 11-79 or 12-79 build date but is classed as a 1980 model and so stamped on the VIN. A lot of people get caught out on that one....

I'd be willing to bet money it is a Sandman.....

[harvo]

Ok, thanks guys


I'll try get pics of the plates tomorrow. This thing needs some love but convincing the old man to do it back to original is going to be a mission but if it's not a sandman then I guess it doesn't really matter.


Thanks again
Dan