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    I posted about this on fastlane a fair while ago and I am to lazy to totally re write it so here is what I posted.
    On the speedo side of things, from what I have seen if they are VDO speedo,s they will have a stamped in month and year date code and if you are really lucky there could be a printed on day, month and year date code.
    This can be seen in these pictures.
    http://s872.photobucket.com/albums/a...ent=Speedo.jpg
    http://s872.photobucket.com/albums/a...ent=Speedo.jpg
    As you can see these are 72 and a 74 ones, So it should still be right for mid 73 as well.
    Also from what I have seen the Flexidrive speedos only have a sticker on them,no stamped date code.
    So less chance of getting a date from them but they could still be there.
    Also the VDO date code can be seen while the speedo is still fitted to the car.
    Anyway I am curious to know something about these speedos from after the bulletin date.
    This is the bulletin
    http://gallery.oldholden.com/Markssh...m/aaa.jpg.html
    Has anyone looked at the date code on these ones and compared them to the build date of the car at all.
    The way I see it, if you have a 140MPH speedo with a production date after July 1973.
    It would indicate that they were still fitted after that date.

    Late edit
    I have checked a few things and I see that it was not a forced change
    as such that made Holden change the speedos at this time.
    What they were actually doing was part of a gradual change of the whole country to the metric system.
    Even the road signs look to not have been changed until July 1974.
    The point of all this is that Holden did not have to have them changed over on that date they just did it.
    Which means if MPH speedos were fitted they were not breaking the law at all, so not a legal problem.
    In my Sep 71,March 72 and Dec 72 HQ owners manuals they say
    0 to 120 mph for std
    0 to 140 mph for GTS and they mention a 0-200kph speedo
    So even as far back as 71 it was on the books.
    The illustration of the dash,s show MPH ones.
    The first mention of the dual speedos is in the June 73 Owners manual.
    It says std is 0 to 125 mph and 0 to 200 kmh
    GTS is 0 to 140 mph and 0 to 220 kmh
    The illustration of the dash,s show the dual gauges as well.

    The November 1973 one is the same as the June 73 one.
    I do not have a April 1974 HQ book so if anyone has one I would be really interested to see what it says.
    If you have a look for these details they are at pages 21-24.
    On checking a few of my speedos I found a 5/5/73 MPH one.
    From the few I have with car build dates as well the speedos
    seem to have around the 2 months turn over time for the units.
    So if this is the case with this one it would have been fitted just after the change over date.
    Anyway as I said before the answer could be on your speedo.s themselves.
    Just check the date code.
    I would be curious to see what the earliest kph speedo was that anyone has.
    Cheers Paul.


    Later edit.
    I have just checked my parts books and the may 71 M37072 book lists MPH and kmh speedo's.
    as does the M37058 parts book which I would assume by the part number would be a earlier than may 71 parts book.
    Last edited by HQ SS; 26-03-2011 at 12:48 PM. Reason: to add a link.

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    Paul, I think you'll find the KPH speedo's listed in the early books are for export cars.

    I have 3 200KPH only speedo's, 2 x Flexdrive and 1 x VDO. VDO is dated 8-74 and has a QR sticker on it.

    I have a 200KPH/MPH VDO that is dated 5-74.

    Interesting note.... the Flexdrive 200Kph rear speedo housing has a raised section added above the 120-140mph part numbers with the new 200kph part number.

    When I get a chance I'll take some pics and post them up.
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    The export side of things makes sense now that you mention it.

    On my VDO speedo's I have.
    QA 120mph
    with stamped dates of
    2/72, 10/72, 3/73 and 5/73

    QR 125mph 200kmh
    2/74

    3/74 sticker missing ?

    QB 200kmh
    5/74

    And of those these have have the ink date codes on them
    4/2/72
    4/5/73 which also has 5/5/73 on it.
    4/2/74
    13/5/74

    The three flexidrives I have are
    2 X 125 mph-200 kmh and 1 X 200kmh.

    So none are the QW QM QK QX RD that HQ1837 posted so I assume they are the GTS speedo codes.


    So combined we have

    02/72 1X
    10/72 1X
    03/73 1X
    05/73 1X
    120mph (QA)

    02/74 1X
    125mph 200kmh (QR)

    03/74 1X
    125mph 200kmh (sticker missing ?)

    4/74 HQ Sandman ute had a 200/120

    05-74
    125mph 200kmh 1X
    200kmh 1X (QB)

    6/74 HQ GTS/4 140kmh/220mph

    8/74 HQ, its KM/H and MPH. ?

    08-74
    200kmh 1X (QR)

    Does anyone else have any speedo's laying around that they can check and post up
    up the details for.
    I can post images of my speedo's and the ink codes if anyone wants to see them.
    Cheers Paul.
    Last edited by HQ SS; 26-03-2011 at 07:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HQ SS View Post
    So none are the QW QM QK QX RD that HQ1837 posted so I assume they are the GTS speedo codes.
    If they are in order then:
    QW is Fuel/Oil gauge
    QM is the Tacho
    QK possibly optional clock
    QX is the speedo
    RD is Temp/Battery


    Quote Originally Posted by HQ SS View Post
    8/74 HQ, its KM/H and MPH. ?
    If it's a 200kph/120mph it would be a Spare parts replacement speedo. I see in one of your pics on the SS site you have a Oct 79 Temp/Battery gauge.
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    I have in my collection
    QD QW RC on the Fuel/Oil gauges
    QK is the centre blank
    QM on the tacho
    RD and QE type Temp/Battery gauges.
    I will have a newer look and see how these relate to dates on them as well.
    The oct 79 one was a genuine replacement unit.


    OK I have
    2815736
    9/71 10/71 Large font picking code missing
    QD 7/72 Large font
    RC 3/73 Small font All of the above of these are stamped dates etc and have Holden and VDO on them
    QW Small font Part no 2815736 on a sticker no Holden


    2815737
    QE 11/72 Larger font RD is 3/73 small font Both of these are stamped dates etc and have Holden and VDO on them
    then I have a small font with a sticker 9931615 second sticker VDO 027813 or it could be 73
    then I have a small font with a sticker 9931615 second sticker 10/79


    The stickered ones I suspect are all replacement units
    Cheers Paul.
    Last edited by HQ SS; 27-03-2011 at 12:42 PM.

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    The HQ ute I have bought is an 8/74 build with 200/125 speedo, hope that helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by GNW1974 View Post
    The HQ ute I have bought is an 8/74 build with 200/125 speedo, hope that helps
    Not really.... speedo's got swapped out, re-built etc. Knowing the date stamped on the back is more usefull but only VDO speedo's have that.

    Thanks anyway....
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    Quote Originally Posted by HQ SS View Post
    Does anyone else have any speedo's laying around that they can check and post up the details for.
    Got a chance to check an HQ speedo on the weekend from 2/72 ute - details were 2815729, 120 MPH, 12.71 and QA sticker. The clock space blank plate had a QK sticker if that helps with anything.

    Will get the details of the speedo in my ute when I get a chance. I'm guessing that the speedo in the 2/72 ute could have been the original based on the dates.

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    Thanks for that.
    Here is the updated list

    HQ Speedos.

    2815729
    12/71 1X______________in 2/72 build car.
    02/72 1X________4/2/72 in 6/72 build car.
    10/72 1X
    03/73 1X
    05/73 1X
    120mph (QA)

    2829819
    02/74 1X________4/2/74 in 3/74 build car.
    125mph 200kmh (QR)

    03/74 1X
    125mph 200kmh (sticker missing ?)

    4/74 HQ Sandman ute had a 200/120

    05-74
    2815734 ?
    125mph 200kmh 1X

    2815734
    200kmh 1X (QB)____13/5/74 on 26/7/74 completed car.


    6/74 HQ GTS/4 140mph/220kmh
    8/74 HQ, its KM/H and MPH. ?

    08-74
    200kmh 1X (QR)

    I have also added a few extra details like the speedo head part numbers now and also the painted on date and build date of the vehicle where they are known.
    Cheers Paul.
    Last edited by HQ SS; 05-04-2011 at 03:11 PM. Reason: to fix as per ozbox's post.

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    hq gts 74...its 220 kph and 140 mph

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