Repro Door Trims

**playwme** · 31-03-2011, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Absinth

HJ Sandman from Custom vans and Trucks

Or there's this pic which seems to appear on the HJ sandman brochure.

**Absinth** · 31-03-2011, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by playwme

Or there's this pic which seems to appear on the HJ sandman brochure.

That has Kingswood door trims because it is a picture of the interior of a HJ Sandman Kingswood ute.

Panelvans were not Kingswoods, so the question is.... if and when did they replace the standard Holden trim with Kingswood trim in HJ Sandman vans and non Kingswood utes.

**Blocker** · 31-03-2011, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by Absinth

That has Kingswood door trims because it is a picture of the interior of a HJ Sandman Kingswood ute.

Panelvans were not Kingswoods, so the question is.... if and when did they replace the standard Holden trim with Kingswood trim in HJ Sandman vans and non Kingswood utes.

Correct. Since my HJ van is an early 1976 build I want to know even more so.

**HK1837** · 01-04-2011, 08:42 AM

I haven't seen evidence of this anywhere. HX feautures manual specifically lists for XU3 and XX7 as one of the feature changes:

"Kingswood door Trim & Hardware Complete".

The latest HJ example of the same thing I have is dated 30/1/76 and there is no mention of Kingswood door trims. The only difference in that area between the 1976 document and the 10/74 equivalent is the addition of armrests as standard with XX7.

Having said that there was a major trim revamp in 1976 with vehicles appearing around 4/76 and if XU3 and XX7 were to have gained Kingswood door trims this is when it would have occurred. However I would have expected to see evidence this in the ordering procedure I have which is dated 1/3/76 (this procedure contains the Features manual pages). I believe the features manual I have is the last for HJ.

In addition, there is no mention in any HJ parts catalogue I have seen about any XX7/XU3 getting Kingswood door trims, eg 19V is the same part number for all HOLDEN/Belmont. Whereas HX and HZ are all over it, where it lists the Kingswood trim as Kingswood and Sandman.

On another note, is that seat buckle in the brochure picture hanging on a clip? It shouldn't have retractables as it is the HJ release brochure, looks like the buckle is attached to a support clip on the shroud which i show I think I remember them being. Good luck replicating this on an early HJ Sandman!

**ozbox** · 01-04-2011, 08:58 AM

yes that is definately a non retractible belt byron...

**Blocker** · 01-04-2011, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by HK1837

...Having said that there was a major trim revamp in 1976 with vehicles appearing around 4/76 and if XU3 and XX7 were to have gained Kingswood door trims this is when it would have occurred. However I would have expected to see evidence this in the ordering procedure I have which is dated 1/3/76 (this procedure contains the Features manual pages). I believe the features manual I have is the last for HJ.

Mine being dated 5/76 may or may not have Kingswood trim? Could it have been an 'undocumented' feature? we have a number of those in our industry these days.

**HK1837** · 01-04-2011, 11:11 AM

I doubt it very much.

Early HJ should look like this. AFAIK later looks the same just with armrests (and with out the dodgy console and seatcovers). This is 60V Beige, but isn't a Sandman. Later HJ sees the code change to 60A with covert bits replaced by black.

HJ chamois.jpg

**Blocker** · 01-04-2011, 01:11 PM

Ok - just so that I am clear on this I have many questions for clarity on this.

HJ Sandman Vans had standard Holden/Belmont trim, but only a certain selection trim colours specific for the Sandman.

Early HJ Sandman Vans had no armrests.
Later HJ Sandmans utes and vans (somewhere between mid 1975/1976) included armrests.

However there may be a slim possibility that late HJ (post 4/76) may have had Kingswood style trim but there is no documented process for it, unlike the HX/HZ ordering procedure.

Maybe we should talk on the phone.