Repro Door Trims

**HK1837** · 01-04-2011, 08:42 AM

I haven't seen evidence of this anywhere. HX feautures manual specifically lists for XU3 and XX7 as one of the feature changes:

"Kingswood door Trim & Hardware Complete".

The latest HJ example of the same thing I have is dated 30/1/76 and there is no mention of Kingswood door trims. The only difference in that area between the 1976 document and the 10/74 equivalent is the addition of armrests as standard with XX7.

Having said that there was a major trim revamp in 1976 with vehicles appearing around 4/76 and if XU3 and XX7 were to have gained Kingswood door trims this is when it would have occurred. However I would have expected to see evidence this in the ordering procedure I have which is dated 1/3/76 (this procedure contains the Features manual pages). I believe the features manual I have is the last for HJ.

In addition, there is no mention in any HJ parts catalogue I have seen about any XX7/XU3 getting Kingswood door trims, eg 19V is the same part number for all HOLDEN/Belmont. Whereas HX and HZ are all over it, where it lists the Kingswood trim as Kingswood and Sandman.

On another note, is that seat buckle in the brochure picture hanging on a clip? It shouldn't have retractables as it is the HJ release brochure, looks like the buckle is attached to a support clip on the shroud which i show I think I remember them being. Good luck replicating this on an early HJ Sandman!

**ozbox** · 01-04-2011, 08:58 AM

yes that is definately a non retractible belt byron...

**Blocker** · 01-04-2011, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by HK1837

...Having said that there was a major trim revamp in 1976 with vehicles appearing around 4/76 and if XU3 and XX7 were to have gained Kingswood door trims this is when it would have occurred. However I would have expected to see evidence this in the ordering procedure I have which is dated 1/3/76 (this procedure contains the Features manual pages). I believe the features manual I have is the last for HJ.

Mine being dated 5/76 may or may not have Kingswood trim? Could it have been an 'undocumented' feature? we have a number of those in our industry these days.

**HK1837** · 01-04-2011, 11:11 AM

I doubt it very much.

Early HJ should look like this. AFAIK later looks the same just with armrests (and with out the dodgy console and seatcovers). This is 60V Beige, but isn't a Sandman. Later HJ sees the code change to 60A with covert bits replaced by black.

HJ chamois.jpg

**Blocker** · 01-04-2011, 01:11 PM

Ok - just so that I am clear on this I have many questions for clarity on this.

HJ Sandman Vans had standard Holden/Belmont trim, but only a certain selection trim colours specific for the Sandman.

Early HJ Sandman Vans had no armrests.
Later HJ Sandmans utes and vans (somewhere between mid 1975/1976) included armrests.

However there may be a slim possibility that late HJ (post 4/76) may have had Kingswood style trim but there is no documented process for it, unlike the HX/HZ ordering procedure.

Maybe we should talk on the phone.

**Nigelk777** · 01-04-2011, 03:25 PM

I'm confused (not for the first time). My HZ ute has door trims like the brown ones in the photo above. Are they correct, or should it have the other ones with the vertical pattern? Muchos gratzias. Nige

**Blocker** · 01-04-2011, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Nigelk777

I'm confused (not for the first time). My HZ ute has door trims like the brown ones in the photo above. Are they correct, or should it have the other ones with the vertical pattern? Muchos gratzias. Nige

For HX and HZ Sandman van and utes the door trims were this style:

This is known as a Kingswood trim.

**Absinth** · 01-04-2011, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Blocker

HJ Sandman Vans had standard Holden/Belmont trim, but only a certain selection trim colours specific for the Sandman.

HJ Sandman trim codes
Dove Grey………………...14V …... Not WM Sandman - WN Sandman ute only
Black……………..………...19V
Jade…..…….……..……….45V …...Not WM Sandman - WN Sandman ute only
Chamois/Covert…….….60V
Chamois/Black…..…….60A
Gazelle…….…………...…64V
Chestnut………………….66V …... Not WM Sandman - WN Sandman ute only
Tan………………..…….….67V
Slate Black...............18X.....Not WM Sandman - WN Sandman ute only
Sienna.....................65V....Not WM Sandman - WN Sandman ute only

I believe this is correct but Byron can confirm.

**Nigelk777** · 01-04-2011, 07:51 PM

Thanks Blocker. The trim in the picture is identical to the one in my ute, all good! Nige.

**HK1837** · 02-04-2011, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by Absinth

HJ Sandman trim codes
Dove Grey………………...14V …... Not WM Sandman - WN Sandman ute only
Black……………..………...19V
Jade…..…….……..……….45V …...Not WM Sandman - WN Sandman ute only
Chamois/Covert…….….60V
Chamois/Black…..…….60A
Gazelle…….…………...…64V
Chestnut………………….66V …... Not WM Sandman - WN Sandman ute only
Tan………………..…….….67V
Slate Black...............18X.....Not WM Sandman - WN Sandman ute only
Sienna.....................65V....Not WM Sandman - WN Sandman ute only

I believe this is correct but Byron can confirm.

Sort of right, a few errors, extras and omissions. Close enough though. I have to save some little tidbits for the book!