I think your agreeing with me Greg? and yes I know the history I have 3 out of the 4 mentioned styles here. Canadian produced rims that came off my 1/73 gts coupe, the Australian produced ones which I bought and will put on the Hq ute when I get it back and a set of 15 x 7's Pontiac rims which I got from a bloke near the ACT that imports Ponti's, since sandblasted and awaiting paint.