Could this be a sandman - Chassis swap

[hainzy]

Exactly what he is saying. If you put a HZ chassis under a HQ it then becomes a HZ and must comply with all HZ ADR's.

Just grind the HQ chassis number off the chassis and clean it up. When you go to register it tell them you lost the chassis number while restoring your car and they will issue you with a police number and you will retain the HZ identification of the car. Therefor it will be a HZ Sandman with a change over chassis.

No different from losing your engine number when you deck the block.... Why do you guys make things so complicated??????? :Chin:

The problem with this is that the authorities make you put a police chassis number on there in the first place. In cases where the car cant be 100% verified, fair enough, but when a car is smashed or you accidentally grind the number off or you cut it out to put a bigger radiator in as often happens on a torana; then why shouldnt you be able to get your original number restamped??? Its stupid. Ill bet theres a shitload of numbers out there that have been restamped by panel beaters etc. Much easier than going through the RTA and devaluing your car....

But as OZ says though, the chassis is literally what the car is built on, and the importance of the chassis number reflects this...

[ozbox]

http://studentweb.usq.edu.au/home/q1...ines/vsi19.pdf

page 6 states...the compliance plate where fitted will be disregarded if...
the identifying number on the compliance plate does not match the chassis number or vin number....

like i said i do facts...btw..took me 10 minutes to find that little bit of gold....

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It is now time for him to produce the proof of his claims. Once he has done this I will agree with him

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[Gaddy]

Do you ever sleep Oz ?
Are you a vampire!

[hqgts]

http://studentweb.usq.edu.au/home/q1...ines/vsi19.pdf

page 6 states...the compliance plate where fitted will be disregarded if...
the identifying number on the compliance plate does not match the chassis number or vin number....

like i said i do facts...btw..took me 10 minutes to find that little bit of gold....

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C. Vehicles with Compliance Plate discrepancies

A previously registered vehicle (second hand vehicle) where the chassis/VIN number stamped on the
body does not match the chassis/VIN number on the compliance plate, may be registered at any motor
registry where:
• the vehicle is known to have been manufactured in Australia and known to be of a model that
complies with the Australian Design Rules,
• satisfactory evidence is provided as to the previous registration of the vehicle and
• the vehicle is roadworthy (this may require the presentation of an engineers certificate where
the vehicle had been modified).
Note: Where the chassis/VIN number stamped on the body is the same as shown on the vehicles’ registration documents, but is different to the number shown on the compliance plate, the vehicle will be considered as a vehicle without a compliance plate and the owner will be directed by an Authorised Officer of the RTA to stamp a line on the differing number on the compliance plate.

Alternatively, where the chassis/VIN number on the compliance plate is the same as the number
indicated on the vehicle registration documents, but different to the number stamped on the
body, the owner will be advised by an Authorised Officer of the RTA to provide evidences as to
the origin of the number on the body. Where satisfactory evidence has been provided (i.e. sales
receipts, repair invoices, etc.) and the body is found to comply with all the relevant ADR’s
applicable to the vehicle (this requires the presentation of an engineers certificate), the owner
will be directed to stamp a line on the differing number, and the chassis/VIN number (shown on
the compliance plate and registration documents) stamped as close as possible to the location
specified by the vehicle manufacturer.


***So if you have the books does this mean you can restamp the chassis with the original number under the direction of the RTA?***

[Gaddy]

Nice Brad! But why aren't you in bed asleep?

[ozbox]

C. Vehicles with Compliance Plate discrepancies


Alternatively, where the chassis/VIN number on the compliance plate is the same as the number
indicated on the vehicle registration documents, but different to the number stamped on the
body, the owner will be advised by an Authorised Officer of the RTA to provide evidences as to
the origin of the number on the body. Where satisfactory evidence has been provided (i.e. sales
receipts, repair invoices, etc.) and the body is found to comply with all the relevant ADR’s
applicable to the vehicle (this requires the presentation of an engineers certificate), the owner
will be directed to stamp a line on the differing number, and the chassis/VIN number (shown on
the compliance plate and registration documents) stamped as close as possible to the location
specified by the vehicle manufacturer.


***So if you have the books does this mean you can restamp the chassis with the original number under the direction of the RTA?***

nice pick up al...the way i read that yes you can but it will still display a number that has a line stamped through it.

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i would really like to see someone go through the red tape to get it done...what a headache they would have..:Chin:

[TwoTees]

if it does not have a matching tag chassis number to chassis stamped number then it has mismatching numbers.
the numbers which are mismatching are the chassis number which then do not match the tags therefore taking with it from a collectible point the value of matching numbers..therefore no longer a matching number tag to chassis collectible.
the identity of any vehicle is the chassis number for registration purposes in any state of australia.this is a legal requirement for registration.
now i have typed this slowly and i would like everyone to read it slowly..

There are 3 entities discussed in the legislation .....EDIT well actually more but only 3 relevant to this topic.
A "Component identification number" unique number
A "Vehicle Part" a chassis, engine or body shell
And a "Registrable Vehicle"

The "registrable vehicle" has a "Vehicle part" and a vehicle part has a component identification number.
Quote from the definitions section...
"component identification number, when used in relation to a part of a registrable vehicle, means the number and any accompanying letters or symbols stamped on or otherwise affixed to that part as a means of identifying the part" and also in its own description "Component" identification number not a vehicle identification number.

Jump a few paragraphs down to here...


68 Change or replacement of vehicle part

Any person who changes or replaces a vehicle part of a registrable vehicle must:
(a) notify the Authority of such change or replacement within 14 days of the change or replacement, and
(b) specify the following in the notification:
(i) the date of the change or replacement,
(ii) the registration number, if any, of the vehicle,
(iii) the name and address of each registered operator of the vehicle,
(iv) the make and component identification number of the vehicle part removed from the vehicle,
(v) the make and component identification number of the vehicle part substituted for the original vehicle part,
(vi) the name and address of the person from whom the substituted vehicle part was obtained, and
(c) retain a copy of the notification in the person’s possession for a period of 6 months, and
(d) produce a copy of any such notification for inspection if requested to do so by any police officer or the Authority.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.

The end of the section

So once the chassis has been changed the Authorities require within 14 days, a date, the rego if it is registered, your name, the make of the chassis and number being removed, The make and number of the replacement chassis and the details of where you got it. Keep all this handy for 6 months and show the cops or rego person if asked. Done

No where do they want details of the previous donor registrable vehicle if any. So no identity has been transfered to the recipient registrable vehicle.

More editing....
(v) the make and component identification number of the vehicle part substituted for the original vehicle part,

It clearly states you are substituting a vehicle part Not substituting or putting a new body on a different registerable vehicles chassis

[ozbox]

Do you ever sleep Oz ?
Are you a vampire!

no gadz .... im an old dog with a bone ...[COLOR="Silver"]

its true isnt it...

[Gaddy]

That your a Vampire?

[hqgts]

no gadz .... im an old dog with a bone ...[COLOR="Silver"]

those little blue pills work wonders then :lifesaver: