Could this be a sandman - Chassis swap

[hqgts]

http://studentweb.usq.edu.au/home/q1...ines/vsi19.pdf

page 6 states...the compliance plate where fitted will be disregarded if...
the identifying number on the compliance plate does not match the chassis number or vin number....

like i said i do facts...btw..took me 10 minutes to find that little bit of gold....

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C. Vehicles with Compliance Plate discrepancies

A previously registered vehicle (second hand vehicle) where the chassis/VIN number stamped on the
body does not match the chassis/VIN number on the compliance plate, may be registered at any motor
registry where:
• the vehicle is known to have been manufactured in Australia and known to be of a model that
complies with the Australian Design Rules,
• satisfactory evidence is provided as to the previous registration of the vehicle and
• the vehicle is roadworthy (this may require the presentation of an engineers certificate where
the vehicle had been modified).
Note: Where the chassis/VIN number stamped on the body is the same as shown on the vehicles’ registration documents, but is different to the number shown on the compliance plate, the vehicle will be considered as a vehicle without a compliance plate and the owner will be directed by an Authorised Officer of the RTA to stamp a line on the differing number on the compliance plate.

Alternatively, where the chassis/VIN number on the compliance plate is the same as the number
indicated on the vehicle registration documents, but different to the number stamped on the
body, the owner will be advised by an Authorised Officer of the RTA to provide evidences as to
the origin of the number on the body. Where satisfactory evidence has been provided (i.e. sales
receipts, repair invoices, etc.) and the body is found to comply with all the relevant ADR’s
applicable to the vehicle (this requires the presentation of an engineers certificate), the owner
will be directed to stamp a line on the differing number, and the chassis/VIN number (shown on
the compliance plate and registration documents) stamped as close as possible to the location
specified by the vehicle manufacturer.


***So if you have the books does this mean you can restamp the chassis with the original number under the direction of the RTA?***

[Gaddy]

Nice Brad! But why aren't you in bed asleep?

[HQGTSbrad]

Nice Brad! But why aren't you in bed asleep?

What you talking about? i haven't posted in here since Monday night?

[jennie285]

What you talking about? i haven't posted in here since Monday night?

Gaddy thought it was you Brad as it was HQGTS who posted similar username is all....and of course you would have been in bed

cheers J

[ozbox]

C. Vehicles with Compliance Plate discrepancies


Alternatively, where the chassis/VIN number on the compliance plate is the same as the number
indicated on the vehicle registration documents, but different to the number stamped on the
body, the owner will be advised by an Authorised Officer of the RTA to provide evidences as to
the origin of the number on the body. Where satisfactory evidence has been provided (i.e. sales
receipts, repair invoices, etc.) and the body is found to comply with all the relevant ADR’s
applicable to the vehicle (this requires the presentation of an engineers certificate), the owner
will be directed to stamp a line on the differing number, and the chassis/VIN number (shown on
the compliance plate and registration documents) stamped as close as possible to the location
specified by the vehicle manufacturer.


***So if you have the books does this mean you can restamp the chassis with the original number under the direction of the RTA?***

nice pick up al...the way i read that yes you can but it will still display a number that has a line stamped through it.

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i would really like to see someone go through the red tape to get it done...what a headache they would have..:Chin:

[Absinth]

C. Vehicles with Compliance Plate discrepancies

Alternatively, where the chassis/VIN number on the compliance plate is the same as the number
indicated on the vehicle registration documents, but different to the number stamped on the
body, the owner will be advised by an Authorised Officer of the RTA to provide evidences as to
the origin of the number on the body. Where satisfactory evidence has been provided (i.e. sales
receipts, repair invoices, etc.) and the body is found to comply with all the relevant ADR’s
applicable to the vehicle (this requires the presentation of an engineers certificate), the owner
will be directed to stamp a line on the differing number, and the chassis/VIN number (shown on
the compliance plate and registration documents) stamped as close as possible to the location
specified by the vehicle manufacturer.

So, if you were lucky enough to find and purchase a Nos unstamped chassis there would be no number to cross out.... you would be instructed to stamp the original chassis number on in its original position.

You could also get your non matching chassis sand blasted by a sand blasting business and have the stamped number obliterated in the process... show the RTA the receipt from the sand blaster as proof the number was legitimately lost, as long as you have an old registration certificate showing the chassis number matches the compliance plate they will get you to stamp that number back onto the chassis....

Be buggered.... is that some semblance of common sense from the RTA??????

[ozbox]

So, if you were lucky enough to find and purchase a Nos unstamped chassis there would be no number to cross out.... you would be instructed to stamp the original chassis number on in its original position.

You could also get your non matching chassis sand blasted by a sand blasting business and have the stamped number obliterated in the process... show the RTA the receipt from the sand blaster as proof the number was legitimately lost, as long as you have an old registration certificate showing the chassis number matches the compliance plate they will get you to stamp that number back onto the chassis....

Be buggered.... is that some semblance of common sense from the RTA??????

it all sounds good in principle but i would love to see it put into practice..you would need to be very patient and armed to the hilt with their own regulations..and if you got someone that didnt like it you would end up with a police number..
problem is you are not dealing with the rta but with mechanics that are authorised to inspect vehicles for the rta..this is the blue slip scheme and it is great in one sense but not in others..
when i did the body swap on sinbox i did my own searching for the legal sides of changing the body shape and weight variation and approached a blue slip guy i knew..he was prepared to do it as a blue slip but it could have got knocked back at the desk in the rta..luckily it didnt.

[hainzy]

Common sense?? Inconcievable...

And these cars are 30 + years old. Half the bearocrats probably werent even born when these cars were new. Most of them wouldnt even know where to find the chassis number on an old holden these days, and likely wouldnt recognise it if it looked odd anyway... They dont even understand the old holden vin numbers when you try to give it to em. All they would notice would be that the comp plate and chassis dont match. Just 'track down' a 'blank' chassis then...

So, if you were lucky enough to find and purchase a Nos unstamped chassis there would be no number to cross out.... you would be instructed to stamp the original chassis number on in its original position.

You could also get your non matching chassis sand blasted by a sand blasting business and have the stamped number obliterated in the process... show the RTA the receipt from the sand blaster as proof the number was legitimately lost, as long as you have an old registration certificate showing the chassis number matches the compliance plate they will get you to stamp that number back onto the chassis....

Be buggered.... is that some semblance of common sense from the RTA??????

[Absinth]

Would probably work in Qld in the smaller towns....

In 99 I got a 6cyl HX ute from Noosa wreckers and swapped all the bits from my HJ Sandman over to it.... had to get it engineered to fit bucket seats due to the 3 seat on the HX compliance plate. Anyway, when I presented it for rego the woman told me is was listed as a 6cyl but now had a V8 in it.... I said oh ohh what does that mean.... her reply was no problem, happens all the time with these models .... a few strokes on the keyboard and it was registered as a V8 with the new engine number.

She was more interested in the fact I had the mod plate fitted for the bucket seats and they were fitted correctly.... I figured as I had to get the mod plate I may as well bolt SS Commodore seats into it and had to fit 3" x 3" washers to the floor.

[HK1837]

C. Vehicles with Compliance Plate discrepancies

A previously registered vehicle (second hand vehicle) where the chassis/VIN number stamped on the
body does not match the chassis/VIN number on the compliance plate, may be registered at any motor
registry where:
• the vehicle is known to have been manufactured in Australia and known to be of a model that
complies with the Australian Design Rules,
• satisfactory evidence is provided as to the previous registration of the vehicle and
• the vehicle is roadworthy (this may require the presentation of an engineers certificate where
the vehicle had been modified).
Note: Where the chassis/VIN number stamped on the body is the same as shown on the vehicles’ registration documents, but is different to the number shown on the compliance plate, the vehicle will be considered as a vehicle without a compliance plate and the owner will be directed by an Authorised Officer of the RTA to stamp a line on the differing number on the compliance plate.

Alternatively, where the chassis/VIN number on the compliance plate is the same as the number
indicated on the vehicle registration documents, but different to the number stamped on the
body, the owner will be advised by an Authorised Officer of the RTA to provide evidences as to
the origin of the number on the body. Where satisfactory evidence has been provided (i.e. sales
receipts, repair invoices, etc.) and the body is found to comply with all the relevant ADR’s
applicable to the vehicle (this requires the presentation of an engineers certificate), the owner
will be directed to stamp a line on the differing number, and the chassis/VIN number (shown on
the compliance plate and registration documents) stamped as close as possible to the location
specified by the vehicle manufacturer.


***So if you have the books does this mean you can restamp the chassis with the original number under the direction of the RTA?***

If this is the current RTA line, then it has changed.
The 2 x things that bother me are:

1. If you do a replacement chassis on a vehicle where that chassis has a chassis number, the vehicle requires an Engineers report and the original chassis number stamped into the rails next to a crossed out original rail's number. That will look dodgy as hell. Smart people will now grind/sandblast off the chassis's number and get the right numbers stamped on.

2. If you do a body swap with tags and turn up at the RTA with original rego papers for the chassis, the RTA will stamp the number on teh rails onto the ADR plate. This will also look as dodgy as hell, or possibly given the right circumstances may end up with an ADR plate with a changed number. Hmmm, not a fan of this. I can see this being used to get around Stat writeoff's.