Could this be a sandman - Chassis swap

**V6HQUTE** · 12-09-2011, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Vombil

hahah nah mate. not literally! killing it dude. when i was your age all i could muster up was a windowless HZ fact 253 4 speed kinga. absolute burnout rig!! fried a couple clutches in 6 months and countless 2nd hand tyres (grommy on budget) it still was no sandman!

no worries mate, neither my hq or the sandman are going to be doing burnouts, ive put too much effort into the Q and well the others a sandman, my paddock basher vh commy gets a work out tho lol

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Originally Posted by vanman

I am not getting into the age old argument of when it is or when it isn't...

Congratulations V6HQUTE On your great Find

I hope you enjoy Restoring your SANDMAN ... I know I have...
We are all here to help...

Just Remember It's A long Hard Road, But It will be Worth all the Blood, Sweat and Tears ( and Money ).. $$$$$$

Another sandman Has been saved from the crusher

cheers vanman, i will, yeah im prepared for a lot of hard work and lots of money, itll be worth it in the end,as soon as ive finished ive finished the Q ill build a roterissory, because lifting it up with the loader is a pain

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Originally Posted by playwme

Wow. A Jasmine Yellow, Slate Black , 308 4 speed Sandman ute for $300. You lucky bastard! Doesn't matter that it doesn't have the original chassis. That means you can have a bit of fun. Rack and pinion steering, 4 link rear (maybe an IRS rear end) Some wild engine/box/diff combo. Build it to enjoy it.
You better go buy yourself one of these 1:18 scale models cause it's what you've got.
1-18 biante holden hz sandman ute jasmine yellow.jpg

cheers mate, if i cant find the original chassie ill keep the hq one and would like a ls1, manual, and a 9", ill do what i can without modifying the body too bad, yeah ill have to get one, itll look like factory when its done so itll be cool to have a mini ute

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Originally Posted by Gaddy

Sweet find young fella! Looks good in it's original outfit too!
The whole numbers thing will never really be solved as ppl will have to just agree to disagree on some
Issues!
My van is all matching except for the engine but it's not an issue for me at all!
Enjoy mate! Look forward to seeing the progress and to meeting you one day!

cheers mate, yous can fight it out as much as you like, i own a sandman, at 17, i bet not many can say that, yeah mate when shes done well have to organise a sandman cruze

**wbute** · 12-09-2011, 09:48 PM

I may have changed my tune. Its because I have come to realise that if you are going to pour money into a sandman, make sure its the right one. The one I have is not the right one. Why spend the same money on a non matching numbers car and then have to convince everyone why its cahssis doesnt match.
This is not aimed at Myles in any way. He is going to do a great job on both his utes for sure. I am just not going to go ahead with my HX. I will put my tags in a collection with my XX7 HJ tags.

**TwoTees** · 12-09-2011, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by wbute

I may have changed my tune. Its because I have come to realise that if you are going to pour money into a sandman, make sure its the right one. The one I have is not the right one. Why spend the same money on a non matching numbers car and then have to convince everyone why its cahssis doesnt match.
This is not aimed at Myles in any way. He is going to do a great job on both his utes for sure. I am just not going to go ahead with my HX. I will put my tags in a collection with my XX7 HJ tags.

WB
I can understand "the not pouring money in" thing but if your Sandman is a Sandman but incorrect chassis it is still worth something and still is a cool vehicle regardless. To put the tags into a collection and forget it is not right. It should be out here being loved and admired for what original qualities it has left.

Same to V6HQUTE, the ute you scored still a very cool and desirable car and an original Sandman body so don't listen to the people that say it is "not a Sandman" and that you should give it up. Just understand that it is not a 100% genuine car. If you find an donor HZ ute and get rid of the HQ chassis (it will steer better also with HZ chassis) and then when the Sandman police look at your car you can tell them it is a HZ ute with a Sandman body. You will not be hiding anything or miss representing anything and it will certainly have more value and cred than just a base model mock up.

**ozbox** · 12-09-2011, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by TwoTees

WB
I can understand "the not pouring money in" thing but if your Sandman is a Sandman but incorrect chassis it is still worth something and still is a cool vehicle regardless. To put the tags into a collection and forget it is not right. It should be out here being loved and admired for what original qualities it has left.

Same to V6HQUTE, the ute you scored still a very cool and desirable car and an original Sandman body so don't listen to the people that say it is "not a Sandman" and that you should give it up. Just understand that it is not a 100% genuine car. If you find an donor HZ ute and get rid of the HQ chassis (it will steer better also with HZ chassis) and then when the Sandman police look at your car you can tell them it is a HZ ute with a Sandman body. You will not be hiding anything or miss representing anything and it will certainly have more value and cred than just a base model mock up.

you just dont get it do you?

**HZSandman** · 13-09-2011, 08:05 AM

It's always important to remember that 2 people can have different opinions on something and come at it from a different angel and both have valid points. No one is right and no one is wrong they are just different opinions. We need to respect that in our discussions.

**ozbox** · 13-09-2011, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by HZSandman

It's always important to remember that 2 people can have different opinions on something and come at it from a different angel and both have valid points. No one is right and no one is wrong they are just different opinions. We need to respect that in our discussions.

i can respect other peoples opinions but when they are trying to argue a point that is not valid then i will argue back..

the reason i am so gung ho on putting my point across to this argument is that we have so many lurkers here reading these posts that they need to know that these vehicles must have a matching chassis to tag to be truely collectible at a top scale..

legally in all states of australia the chassis number is the identifier of the vehicle..no if buts or maybe.
a sandman body with its old tags attached regardless of identifying things like console brackets etc is still just a body on another chassis if these 2 items do not align for numbers and therefore desreases its collectibility and value..
im happy for people to disagree with these points but no one should push the argument that the value is still in the vehicle.
if people are happy to have a sandman with sandman tags and mismatched chasis then so be it ...
but the education is about the value of matching chassis to tags and i will always pop up when this subject is bought up and put my points across so the lurkers can understand and not pay big bucks for mismatched chassis to tags..

**TwoTees** · 13-09-2011, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by ozbox

legally in all states of australia the chassis number is the identifier of the vehicle..no if buts or maybe.
a sandman body with its old tags attached regardless of identifying things like console brackets etc is still just a body on another chassis if these 2 items do not align for numbers and therefore desreases its collectibility and value..

Are you are saying the chassis forms the identity of the vehicle as a whole and if the chassis is different from the original the entire vehicles identity has changed? Changed to what?

Is this is a legal thing or just your opinion?

**ozbox** · 15-09-2011, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by ozbox

i can respect other peoples opinions but when they are trying to argue a point that is not valid then i will argue back..

the reason i am so gung ho on putting my point across to this argument is that we have so many lurkers here reading these posts that they need to know that these vehicles must have a matching chassis to tag to be truely collectible at a top scale..

legally in all states of australia the chassis number is the identifier of the vehicle..no if buts or maybe.
a sandman body with its old tags attached regardless of identifying things like console brackets etc is still just a body on another chassis if these 2 items do not align for numbers and therefore desreases its collectibility and value..
im happy for people to disagree with these points but no one should push the argument that the value is still in the vehicle.
if people are happy to have a sandman with sandman tags and mismatched chasis then so be it ...
but the education is about the value of matching chassis to tags and i will always pop up when this subject is bought up and put my points across so the lurkers can understand and not pay big bucks for mismatched chassis to tags..

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**HK1837** · 13-09-2011, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by wbute

I may have changed my tune. Its because I have come to realise that if you are going to pour money into a sandman, make sure its the right one. The one I have is not the right one. Why spend the same money on a non matching numbers car and then have to convince everyone why its cahssis doesnt match.
This is not aimed at Myles in any way. He is going to do a great job on both his utes for sure. I am just not going to go ahead with my HX. I will put my tags in a collection with my XX7 HJ tags.

Or swap them with me for something I have that you want! I'll check but I think that HX XX7 tags are actually absent from my collection. I seem to have a heap of HJ and HZ tags but no HX.

BTW, as part of this discussion but not aimed at James I don't have a problem with an original Sandman with a replacement chassis. It just isn't worth what a fully aligned car is worth. If it was me doing it i'd hunt down some naked rails and get them Police number stamped.