I simply informed him of where he can read the opinions of lots of forum members, then come to his own conclusions as the enjoyment he was having in finding a sandman was tainted by an single opinion.Originally Posted by ozbox
hahahahaha..still cant get your head around it can you.......
i wasnt trying to taint it..i was bursting his bubble before it got out of control and floated away...
its called a reality check for the purposes of originality by identification of legal numbers.
As I said the opinion of 1 compared to the opinion of many.
I know this is a debate that may go on for ever but consider this.........
Firstly lets clear up what constitutes a Sandman? It is a GMH vehicle with a "unique number" stamped on the chassis, a GMH vehicle fitted with a body shell that has been fitted out to a Belmont/Kingswood luxury level, and then a further "sports" option package on top. All of these properties are documented in the Tag info that are fixed to the body.
Depending on where you live the local authorities use the GMH "unique number" stamped on the chassis to identify each vehicle and then they give it their own unique number.
So.........
Lets say I have a HQ Belmont ute. The least optioned, cheapest ute I could have bought from GMH. I run it over a gutter a speed and break the chassis. I find a burnt out HQ Sandman and buy its chassis to repair mine. Yes, its GMH "unique identifier" stamped into the chassis to differentiate it from the 2 million other utes out there has been changed and the relevant authorities need to be notified and paper work changed BUT........
Is it still a Belmont?
If it is no longer a Belmont, what is it?
Can I insure it as a Sandman?
Is it now worth the same money as a Sandman?
No! Its still a Belmont!
So why, if a Sandman has a chassis change, is it no longer a Sandman? It is a Sandman that has had its chassis changed and its original GMH "Unique Identifier" stamped into the chassis has been changed. So it is a non original Sandman.
Is it still a vehicle? Yes. Is it still a GMH vehicle? Yes. Is it still a GMH vehicle that was optioned up to Sandman? Yes. Just not as original as others.
i agree with you about the belmont, its still only a belmont, its the body and id tags that make it a sandman, and also this ute has a sunroof, they werent factory optioned were they, becuase the bloke i bought it off wants the sunroof, really if something happend to the chassie on a sandman, and the owner gets another, hes not going to say, i used to own a sandman until i changed the chassie, hes going to say i own a sandman.(full stop) and not mention the chassie
Last edited by V6HQUTE; 12-09-2011 at 07:35 AM.
I've seen this show before, but it's so good to watch again
I believe the things is yes, there is a shell there that was once part of a sandman and for that sort of money it's a great find.
However before you throw your large wads of cash at fixing it, just understand that if you ever want to sell to a collector in the future they are going to check the chasis and tags for a match.
Well done on your purchase mate, enjoy dooin that up. As for the chassis debate: Im stayin the hell outta that cause I know sweet f.a. really. I too, was one of a few teenagers that was into cars, everyone wanted VS commodores etc, I wanted a HQ van with a filthy big V8...had to settle for a 6cyl Kingsy sedan, (HJ) still was an awesome car though!
I've seen this show before, but it's so good to watch again
all i can really say to the few that dont understand the basic principle of collectible numbers matching vehicles is ....:knockout::Chin:
That's one of the funniest things I've read for quite a while.....I've seen this show before, but it's so good to watch again
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In 1980 my parents bought me a standard Mongoose BMX bike. Over a year or two, I washed enough cars to option it up a bit with the double gooseneck, alloy handle bars, rims, cranks etc, half flash mongoose. Another year or so, and several more car washes later, I bought a Redline MKII frame, and suddenly I had a Redline, with the same options as the previous heavily modified mongoose I had.
A good mate of mine recently has suffered kidney failure. He has been lucky enough to receive a younger healthy kidner from a female deceased organ donor. He's not a female all of a sudden, and he's not likely to be able to claim to be. He certainly isn't going to adopt a female name, even though having a bit of female "optioning".
Having said that, I reckon Myles is quite within his rights to be excited about his "Sandman", which I believe he is quite within his rights to call it, as long as he qualifies the description with the chassis details. What it's worth is what someone is willing to pay for it, and it sounds like that is irrelevant in this case, as he intends to keep it. Granted, plans do change, and it may be for sale one day, but it is what it is, a piece of Australian Motoring history, with it's own story to be told and heard.
You've done well mate, enjoy your restore and all the enjoyment you'll get during and after it.
Paddy
Sandman...Just Drive It.!
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