Could this be a sandman - Chassis swap

**TwoTees** · 13-09-2011, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by ozbox

legally in all states of australia the chassis number is the identifier of the vehicle..no if buts or maybe.
a sandman body with its old tags attached regardless of identifying things like console brackets etc is still just a body on another chassis if these 2 items do not align for numbers and therefore desreases its collectibility and value..

Are you are saying the chassis forms the identity of the vehicle as a whole and if the chassis is different from the original the entire vehicles identity has changed? Changed to what?

Is this is a legal thing or just your opinion?

**HK1837** · 13-09-2011, 06:29 PM

If you change a chassis the legal identity of the vehicle changes. Say you crashed a HQ. You put other HQ rails in it. You have to hand the rego plates back in, and re-register it with the chassis number on the new rails. If the rails have no number it will get stamped with a Police issued number like the following when you try to register it:

ZXXYYYYP. Z is the first letter of the State eg N for NSW. XX is the year eg 11 for 2011. YYYY is a sequential number. P is Police Examples: N991234P, V014321P etc. These numbers can be chassis numbers or engine numbers.

**sanman** · 13-09-2011, 06:35 PM

Similar to engines that were changed over under warranty, in Victoria they might have been VP 63****. I have seen a few, pretty common in FB's.

Bit of Trivia.

Geoff

**ozbox** · 13-09-2011, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by TwoTees

Are you are saying the chassis forms the identity of the vehicle as a whole and if the chassis is different from the original the entire vehicles identity has changed? Changed to what?

Is this is a legal thing or just your opinion?

if you bothered to read the other thread i believe the same comment is in that as well..

im a licensed motor dealer and have been for 30 years so im not gunna waffle on with this shit if it was just my opinion...

the chassis number which is what we are referring to hear is the legal identity of the vehicle...throw the tags over your shoulder and you can still register the car,but if you have no chassis number you must have a police number issued as the chassis number..tags meen nothing in the legal terms of registration..

to expand on what byron has said...take your tagged sandman hz or whatever with hq chassis and register it and it will be a hq not an hz...so if the chassis is stamped AHQ10005 it would be registered as a 1971 hq...regardless of your tags saying its a 5/78 hz...so yes the complete identity of the vehicle is changed and changed to whatever the chassis number is..LEGALLY.

so therefore anyones l31 m21 xx7 whatever is only a set of tin plates on another body wether its the original body to the tags or not if the chassis number does not MATCH the tags...

can you digest any of this 2t...????

**TwoTees** · 13-09-2011, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by ozbox

can you digest any of this 2t...????

Yes! Every word! But i am haveing trouble finding the correct clause in the legislative document that backs up what you are saying!

Can you point me to it please because I've been looking at it for ages and can't find it.

**ozbox** · 13-09-2011, 07:36 PM

you just keep lookin sunshine and while your at it you may be able to educate yourself a bit regarding vehicle identification and what constitutes a vehicles identity..:twisted:

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Originally Posted by Absinth

Exactly what he is saying. If you put a HZ chassis under a HQ it then becomes a HZ and must comply with all HZ ADR's.

Why do you guys make things so complicated??????? :Chin:

because i can...

**V6HQUTE** · 13-09-2011, 07:50 PM

are replacement rails hard to find, are they just like the nos side pannels, sometimes they pop up after someone decides to dig them out of there shed and sell them or is there a company that i can buy one from, how much are they worth?

**Absinth** · 13-09-2011, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by TwoTees

Are you are saying the chassis forms the identity of the vehicle as a whole and if the chassis is different from the original the entire vehicles identity has changed? Changed to what?

Is this is a legal thing or just your opinion?

Exactly what he is saying. If you put a HZ chassis under a HQ it then becomes a HZ and must comply with all HZ ADR's.

Just grind the HQ chassis number off the chassis and clean it up. When you go to register it tell them you lost the chassis number while restoring your car and they will issue you with a police number and you will retain the HZ identification of the car. Therefor it will be a HZ Sandman with a change over chassis.

No different from losing your engine number when you deck the block.... Why do you guys make things so complicated??????? :Chin:

**jennie285** · 13-09-2011, 07:31 PM

But Sean won't it be wrong because it won't have the RTS bits on the chassis...just a thought

**agr071** · 13-09-2011, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Absinth

Just grind the HQ chassis number off the chassis and clean it up. When you go to register it tell them you lost the chassis number while restoring your car and they will issue you with a police number and you will retain the HZ identification of the car. Therefor it will be a HZ Sandman with a change over chassis.

Pardon my ignorance here ( and please don't get narky at me) but if a HZ Sandman has a police issue chassis, this would remove some of it's "authenticity" would it not, therefore devalue it from the selling price of a matching numbers van with correct chassis????
Also what happens with the number on the compliance plates that correspond to the correct chassis number???