Could this be a sandman - Chassis swap

[TwoTees]

Oh gawd, I swore I wasn't going to wade into this.
But you just sumed it up "the vehicle has no valid compliance plate" in that the only thing calling it a sandman, on the car with a swaped chasis is the compliance plate. In this instance the compliance plate in invalid (ie, this is no longer relevent to this car). So if the compliance plate is no longer vaild, it's no longer the car on the compliance place, so it's no longer a sandman.

No-one said anything about it not being able to be registered, of course you can, it's just not registered as the original car as it is no longer the original car.

TooTees, whatever we're calling it, your van when restored will be great and you'll love it if your threads on fixing tailgates are anything to go buy.

I think from now on, whenever someone feels like replying to this thread they should go imediatly to the shed and do an hours work on their van as penance, I can't see any new information coming to light. I've just come from the shed so I'm excused...

Goat

Hey Goat,
Welcome aboard.

The vehicle, technically does not have a compliance plate. Yes. Because it can no longer be 100% verified to comply with the ADRs on it. Below is a statement that shows how they get around this and it states if the model has been recognised as model before all is still ok. But, the standard states the vehicle can continue being the vehicle is it. No need for a new rego. Same vehicle. The vehicle has a vehicle plate to identify the vehicle and the vehicle is made up of many parts.

We are debating that the vehicle takes on the identity of the donor chassis. Can someone please highlight the clause that says this.

By the way. If it sounds like I am posting in a shouty voice, sorry, I am not.

I have highlighted a clause that states the vehicle remains unchanged.

A vehicle currently registered in NSW and not fitted with a compliance plate can continue to be
registered providing it remains roadworthy.

hqgts also posted this up (note: where it says "stamped on body" in our case the body is a chassis.)

A previously registered vehicle (second hand vehicle) where the chassis/VIN number stamped on the
body does not match the chassis/VIN number on the compliance plate, may be registered at any motor
registry where:
• the vehicle is known to have been manufactured in Australia and known to be of a model that
complies with the Australian Design Rules,

This more so states what we are debating. It states that they will accept ADR's based on what the Model was recognised to have for the vehicle. NOT the adr's from the vehicle that was once attached to the donor chassis as claimed. In other words they will accept it as the vehicle it was.

What I keep on asking for is, from anyone, is a clause in the legislation that states what OZbox says. How can anyone take completely, 100% law, from the word of statements made by people, even an RTA officer, without seeing the clause in a legislated document that states it.

If this argument went to court it would be laughed out in seconds because one side of the argument has not one bit of legislated proof. Or at least has failed to provide it.

[ambientgoat]

Well, since I'm aboard...

The above rather lengthy legal statements I think you'll find only clarify that the car can be registered. It doesn't state anything about which vechile it's being registered as.

In this thread we've been given a number of real world examples (that place outside of legal documents) that people have given you of vechiles being registered as per the chasis not the body. From this we can make a fair conclusion that your once sandman is now likely to be registered as a hq if the swap was done following correct procedure.

More importantly to all of this. Can you imagine having this same 24 page discussion with any sandman collector and having them pass over the same or even close to the same money as they would for a car with a matching chasis?

Afterall, the point we're trying to make is that of 'Is this a collectable car that people are going to value and is worth throwing tens of thousands at a restoration?' or 'Is this a car that once was collectable but now has lost one of the key components that make it a collectable?'. From reading the comments here I'm again going to drawn the fair conclusion that the majority seem to lean towards the second option.

This is of course in no way going against the argument of 'who cares what it is, just drive it and love it' and if you look at the contents of my shed this is my personal taste. However, since the top end of the sandman market is no longer in the 'cheap fun' category but rather up there with the monaros in value, it is imporant for information about what makes your sandman a 'complete whole and collectable sandman' freely available. Then those who are doing their research on sites like this before a big purchase don't end up spending a great deal of money on the wrong car.

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As requested, one goverment document stating clearly that in the case of a damanged chasis being replaced with a new or second-hand chassis the replacement chassis number becomes the primary vehicle identifier.

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...writetable.pdf

[playwme]

Next up to the plate we have "The Goat". Hasn't done much during this match, just been sitting on the sidelines watching proceedings.

Here comes the pitch and the swing............

[/COLOR]As requested, one goverment document stating clearly that in the case of a damanged chasis being replaced with a new or second-hand chassis the replacement chassis number becomes the primary vehicle identifier.

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...writetable.pdf

Wow! he really got a hold of that one. That ball is going way back....back...back.....and it's outta here!!!!!!

Well played Goat, well played.