Counterfeit Sandmans

[HK1837]

I think the key words are "won't get caught". Those who rebody a car are as you say effectively breaking the law as you are removing the ADR plate, but how do you repair some cars otherwise? You are breaking the same law by removing the ADR tag to fix rust! Other illegal things happen every day too like lowering a car, running extractors, rebuilding an engine to anything other than standard. It only becomes fraud if you try to hide something. You just have to be honest in how you advertise it for sale (if you sell it) and don't tell any lies, so either advertise it as a van or ute (don't mention Sandman) or be honest it has been rebodied. Then you have no issues with the recent Victorian court case precendent. The problems happen when you misrepresnt a car when you sell it. If you don't sell it there are no legal issues at all. And there is no reason why that white van couldn't be reshelled and win Concours. If done right with the right shell no-one would ever know. It'd be better to see it with a new body than botched up trying to repair rust.

[mauser]

I think the key words are "won't get caught". Those who rebody a car are as you say effectively breaking the law as you are removing the ADR plate, but how do you repair some cars otherwise? You are breaking the same law by removing the ADR tag to fix rust! Other illegal things happen every day too like lowering a car, running extractors, rebuilding an engine to anything other than standard. It only becomes fraud if you try to hide something. You just have to be honest in how you advertise it for sale (if you sell it) and don't tell any lies, so either advertise it as a van or ute (don't mention Sandman) or be honest it has been rebodied. Then you have no issues with the recent Victorian court case precendent. The problems happen when you misrepresnt a car when you sell it. If you don't sell it there are no legal issues at all. And there is no reason why that white van couldn't be reshelled and win Concours. If done right with the right shell no-one would ever know. It'd be better to see it with a new body than botched up trying to repair rust.

Personally I'm with you Byron, I like to see them saved but I only have an issue with the site as a whole condoning illigal activity. Ozbox, as a registered motor trader, may have a better idea than me but I think it is something like if you document with photos and inform the motor registry prior to removing the tags for repairing a cowl. They will send an inspector to check the tags and as long as you told them and they go back on the same body then its ok.

If someone else knows the rules please inform everyone. :-)

Mauser

PS What do the Monaro Nationals do when they judge a Concours catagory and find out someone rebodiey a say 186S GTS from a bog stock one? I know they have a body number in the firewall so its harder.

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however if you cut throug the windscreen pillars and through the floor and attach anew rear shell ( whith correct attachments) it is still a sandman or a reashell

ummm good luck with that one... haha You want to trust your welding as you are bouncing along the road. Imagine the whole arse end detaching and sliding off the chassis.... not for me. haha

Mauser

[ozbox]

I think the key words are "won't get caught". Those who rebody a car are as you say effectively breaking the law as you are removing the ADR plate, but how do you repair some cars otherwise? You are breaking the same law by removing the ADR tag to fix rust!

i have to disagree with that comment byron..i rebodied the sinbox and did it legally..for those that arent sure of what i am talking about..i took a registered ute and put a van body on it..then went and had a blue slip done for body variant and weight variant..then went to the rta and had it changed from a ute to a panelvan without effecting new registration..also the examiner wanted me to display both adr tags but nothing else..1 x adr tag matches the chassis number and 1 x adr tag matches the body..so that blows the theory on removing and replacing tags doesnt it?.this could be done by anyone in nsw that had a sandman van cut down into a ute and wanting to turn it back into a van...LEGALLY..