Counterfeit Sandmans

[HK1837]

I know of one, a friend has had since new. I know it hasn't been smashed, all original paint bar the nosecone (stonechips).

I know it is all grey area, and it gets really emotive. By some people's reactions you'd think some cars were heritage listed! Can you see people in 20 years getting all upset about VG-VSIII S pack utes? These are the 90's equivalent of a Sandman.

[ozbox]

I think the key words are "won't get caught". Those who rebody a car are as you say effectively breaking the law as you are removing the ADR plate, but how do you repair some cars otherwise? You are breaking the same law by removing the ADR tag to fix rust!

i have to disagree with that comment byron..i rebodied the sinbox and did it legally..for those that arent sure of what i am talking about..i took a registered ute and put a van body on it..then went and had a blue slip done for body variant and weight variant..then went to the rta and had it changed from a ute to a panelvan without effecting new registration..also the examiner wanted me to display both adr tags but nothing else..1 x adr tag matches the chassis number and 1 x adr tag matches the body..so that blows the theory on removing and replacing tags doesnt it?.this could be done by anyone in nsw that had a sandman van cut down into a ute and wanting to turn it back into a van...LEGALLY..

[Blocker]

Technical services engineer at NSW rego (TRMS) has just told me that removing the compliance plate from a body is illegal - however they are ok with a rebody if the compliance plate of the new body remains. I explained that the chassis number would not match and he said that is not an issue for rego. You can legally do the body swap (keeping the new compliance plate not the old one) and then get a blue slip.

How long ago did you do your swap Greg? I guess whatever the circumstances you did ok in having the two compliance plates on the car.

However in SA they will not allow it at all. The new body including the compliance plate AND the chassis rail comes over (for HQ-WB) or you get a police stamp on the original chassis.

So, even though this thread has gone off track whatever you do seek advice from your local authority before making decisions like this, and it is apparent that some of these activities are considered illegal in some States of Australia.

[mauser]

I know of one, a friend has had since new. I know it hasn't been smashed, all original paint bar the nosecone (stonechips).

I know it is all grey area, and it gets really emotive. By some people's reactions you'd think some cars were heritage listed! Can you see people in 20 years getting all upset about VG-VSIII S pack utes? These are the 90's equivalent of a Sandman.

haha no-ones getting emotive mate. We all have our own opinions and I can see yours and everyone elses. I remember cutting up 186S Monaros and 253 Toranas thinking who would want those PG13$%^ers. HQ SS's were a poor man's Monaro.

Mauser

[ozbox]

was done 2 years ago blocker...i did querie the request for the adr tag being done but the examiner rang technical and was told to do that...i would have been happy with no tags as you dont need them for registration in nsw..
the stupid part of the technical services comments is that if you said nothing to anyone and presented with the bodies tags they do not record this in any way..however if you present without tags it is recorded as a vehicle without compliance plates for registration...

[Felicia]

Hi there.

Well said before masuer.

Now, to answer the question. Yes, there is definately an increase. If their young, it's ignorance, if their old.. it's purposefull... they have the experience and the knowledge to do so.

What happened with the court case? Wouldnt those standards be what we should be going by.

At the end of the day. All individuals reap what they sow, if a seller / buyer goes to court that
really is their problem. Some people choose to live honest, some dont. The honest, cannot
change the disshonest. Karma always gets her own back. Change what we can't accept, and accept
what we cant change. People will do what they will do and thats thweir life and their choice.

If the honest people stick together, hopefully we can push the dishonest ones out, and justice will be served.

Sandman Owner.

[ozbox]

So, even though this thread has gone off track

i dont see how its gone off track..its basically the same as the chassis to tag thread...you asked about counterfiet sandmans didnt you?...exactly the same thing in principal...

[Blocker]

i dont see how its gone off track..its basically the same as the chassis to tag thread...you asked about counterfiet sandmans didnt you?...exactly the same thing in principal...

Without naming names has anyone come across any fake/counterfeit Sandman in the past 12/24 months for sale online?

Do you think there has been an increase in purposely faking a Sandman or do you think people are still not educated enough to know the difference.

The question I asked was; has anyone noticed an increase, not what makes a genuine or can it be done etc.

People in the know like yourself because you are in the business of motor trading and parts, and others on here might have gauged some idea if some knock-offs are becoming more common. I guess it'd be too hard unless we send guy like you and Byron flying around Australia to check every potential Sandman for sale :yawn:


The chassis and body stuff has been done to death and there is plenty of info on the other thread about that.

[ozbox]

ok..my mistake for reading it incorrectly....
ANSWER to the question....YES..
shitloads in fact but i cant substantiate more than that without my solicitor.
its been going on a lot longer than the last couple of years..just seems to be an increase in the last couple thats all..

[ambientgoat]

as a very wise man once said