nah....these centre caps aren't a thing from rares......I think the bloke I bought mine off is makin them privately. If thats the case, he has done a bloody good job and if someone does try pryin them off, they won't scratch them easily. Solid stainless. Thanks for the pointer with dress rings too, the blokes at rares I spoke to knew nothing.(and that vagueness is what puts me off rares) Sometimes I've had better answers from the pimply headed sprogs at Stupid Sheep autos.

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and one last thing....three out of four of the originals on my van have all silver decals. never seen them before(that I can remember). I'll hafta get back to ya with short, long or no tail on roary.