Yeh I was lucky I looked around for a genuine sandman for about a year, and this came up, I was lucky in hine site, as I was only looking for the sandman feature's on the tags and not colour code!!!!! So thanks Steve and all other forum users for your encouragement, and to MySandman.com as I have been reading and learning for last couple of years. I guess I dident join as I was like old mate>> (Novanman) it spent most of its time in someone else's shed... Mick