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    Les, I don't care if you make the 5mm thick wheel or not.... I just don't like seeing incorrect information given on the forum... The information given implies it is now illegal to have a 5mm thick steering wheel on anything other than a HQ.

    what a government body or your legal team advises is irrelevant.... They are simply trying to cover yours or their own arse against a possible lawsuit in case the wheel is fitted to the wrong vehicle... Less risk to just produce a wheel that complies with today's standards....

    the fact is.... Under the "motor vehicle standards act 1989" a vehicle must comply with all ADRs at the time of manufacture..... Not current ADRs... Only the ADRs (or that version of the ADR) in force at the time of manufacture of the vehicle..... These ADRs are stamped on the compliance plate of each vehicle.

    "The Australian Design Rules (ADRs) are national standards for vehicle safety, anti-theft and emissions. The ADRs are generally performance based and cover issues such as occupant protection, structures, lighting, noise, engine exhaust emissions, braking and a range of miscellaneous items.

    The current standards, the Third Edition ADRs, are administered by the Australian Government under the Motor Vehicle Standards Act 1989. The Act requires all road vehicles, whether they are newly manufactured in Australia or are imported as new or second hand vehicles, to comply with the relevant ADRs at the time of manufacture and supply to the Australian market. When a road vehicle is first used on Australian roads the relevant state or territory government’s legislation generally requires that it continue to comply with the relevant ADRs as at the time of manufacture."

    ^^^ could it be any clearer?

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    This 6/77 HX must comply with the ADRs stamped on its plate.... Not later ones.... Not current ones. The 5mm thick steering wheel was fitted to HQ, HJ, HX and HZ until 01/01/78 and obviously complied to ADR 10b on these vehicles at the time of manufacture. It is perfectly legal to fit a 5mm thick wheel to any of these vehicles built before Jan 78 because the 5mm thick wheel complied with ADR 10b at this time.. That is the law. Your legal team can advise differently but that doesn't change the law.

    It is just luck that the HK/T/G sports steering wheel still complies with the current ADR 10. Wouldn't matter if they didn't, they complied at the time of manufacture of the vehicle.

    Fortunately for me there are still good second hand 5mm sports steering wheels available and I managed to get a good one a couple of days ago for my HJ Sandman and I already have a good one for my HX.



    As for the 4 sp shift knob.... I am in Brisbane for the next week and don't have my parts manuals with me but I am willing to bet that the part number will not be the same for HQ through to HZ.

    HQ/HJ had the plain knob because the shift pattern was on the lid of the console..... You should know, you sell reproductions of these shift pattern decals.

    HX/HZ shift knobs had the shift pattern engraved in the top of them because the console was different in these models... Again you should know this as you also sell reproductions of these!!!!

    Late HZ used the WB/Commodore style shifter knob.

    Three different knobs means three different part numbers I assume but can't check it at the moment. Either way your labelling is incorrect.
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    Jesus and i thought the XU1 boys were anal

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    take it to em Abby!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glacier 73 View Post
    Jesus and i thought the XU1 boys were anal
    were not arguing about air cleaner wingnut washers yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adam perth View Post
    were not arguing about air cleaner wingnut washers yet.
    No your right just 2mm ffs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinth View Post
    As for the 4 sp shift knob.... I am in Brisbane for the next week and don't have my parts manuals with me but I am willing to bet that the part number will not be the same for HQ through to HZ.
    I can't answer it all but I can tell you HJ and HX gear knobs share the same part numbers. You're right about late HZ having the golf club UC Sunturd gear knob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glacier 73 View Post
    No your right just 2mm ffs
    Have you compared the two side by side??? 2mm makes a big difference to the look, feel and strength of the wheel.

    and attitudes like that are why people get away with supplying crap repro parts..... Only 2mm out in the door gap... Line along the repro guard is only out by 2mm....

    I'll restore a car for you any day! Hey, the bonnets only 2mm above the line of the guard.... Ahh, the grill is only 2mm out on one side.... Yeah I know the dash looks a little skewiff but it's only out by 2mm. What's that? The window in fills look funny... She's right.... The panel steel I used is only 1mm thicker than original.

    what, you don't like WB seats in your HQ Sandman??? Nah mate they're correct, that's the superseded part number.
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    Standing ovation for Absinth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinth View Post
    Have you compared the two side by side??? 2mm makes a big difference to the look, feel and strength of the wheel.

    and attitudes like that are why people get away with supplying crap repro parts..... Only 2mm out in the door gap... Line along the repro guard is only out by 2mm....

    I'll restore a car for you any day! Hey, the bonnets only 2mm above the line of the guard.... Ahh, the grill is only 2mm out on one side.... Yeah I know the dash looks a little skewiff but it's only out by 2mm. What's that? The window in fills look funny... She's right.... The panel steel I used is only 1mm thicker than original.

    what, you don't like WB seats in your HQ Sandman??? Nah mate they're correct, that's the superseded part number.
    Go hard Sean - I'm with you on this one! The last time I brought the subject up about the legality and "selective" applicability of 5mm wheels to certain ADRs I was hounded down for being too anal about it even though I provided the regulatory link to it at the time. I also wanted the right wheel for mine even though I have changed parts of the interior of mine - such as CD player, speakers and I have also decided I like metalic charcoal over portland grey. I've been looking for an (at least useable and not bent, broken or just shagged) 5mm wheel for a few years to replace the one that went astray - have you found some good ones?

    On the other hand I do understand the niche market that we are part of and that production costs (may) not stack-up but as I pointed-out to them the tooling costs do not change as the stamping machine that turns out the individual spoke pieces doesn't know the difference between 3mm and 5mm steel. I even suggested they looked at (a pseudo reconditioning service) re-rimming selected (on condition of passing in store inpection) wheels as there were an awful lot of HQ and many HJ machines (around 30% of the market I would guestimate, but that number is likely to shrink as time moves on) that this wheel was standard fitment for. It seems it is all too hard for them to even contemplate.

    At least I would be able to remove the 3mm brown wheel I'm using at the moment (don't get hung-up on the brown stalk - I wanted to see what it looked like against the wheel):

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    Gene. I hear you but it would be like putting Alien's HQ GTS guards on your HZ.... It just doesn't look right....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glacier 73 View Post
    No your right just 2mm ffs
    This is important stuff. This site is mysandman and its a restoration based site. Not a modified panelvan site.

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