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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinth View Post
    Les, I don't care if you make the 5mm thick wheel or not.... I just don't like seeing incorrect information given on the forum... The information given implies it is now illegal to have a 5mm thick steering wheel on anything other than a HQ.

    what a government body or your legal team advises is irrelevant.... They are simply trying to cover yours or their own arse against a possible lawsuit in case the wheel is fitted to the wrong vehicle... Less risk to just produce a wheel that complies with today's standards....

    the fact is.... Under the "motor vehicle standards act 1989" a vehicle must comply with all ADRs at the time of manufacture..... Not current ADRs... Only the ADRs (or that version of the ADR) in force at the time of manufacture of the vehicle..... These ADRs are stamped on the compliance plate of each vehicle.

    "The Australian Design Rules (ADRs) are national standards for vehicle safety, anti-theft and emissions. The ADRs are generally performance based and cover issues such as occupant protection, structures, lighting, noise, engine exhaust emissions, braking and a range of miscellaneous items.

    The current standards, the Third Edition ADRs, are administered by the Australian Government under the Motor Vehicle Standards Act 1989. The Act requires all road vehicles, whether they are newly manufactured in Australia or are imported as new or second hand vehicles, to comply with the relevant ADRs at the time of manufacture and supply to the Australian market. When a road vehicle is first used on Australian roads the relevant state or territory government’s legislation generally requires that it continue to comply with the relevant ADRs as at the time of manufacture."

    ^^^ could it be any clearer?

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    This 6/77 HX must comply with the ADRs stamped on its plate.... Not later ones.... Not current ones. The 5mm thick steering wheel was fitted to HQ, HJ, HX and HZ until 01/01/78 and obviously complied to ADR 10b on these vehicles at the time of manufacture. It is perfectly legal to fit a 5mm thick wheel to any of these vehicles built before Jan 78 because the 5mm thick wheel complied with ADR 10b at this time.. That is the law. Your legal team can advise differently but that doesn't change the law.

    It is just luck that the HK/T/G sports steering wheel still complies with the current ADR 10. Wouldn't matter if they didn't, they complied at the time of manufacture of the vehicle.

    Fortunately for me there are still good second hand 5mm sports steering wheels available and I managed to get a good one a couple of days ago for my HJ Sandman and I already have a good one for my HX.



    As for the 4 sp shift knob.... I am in Brisbane for the next week and don't have my parts manuals with me but I am willing to bet that the part number will not be the same for HQ through to HZ.

    HQ/HJ had the plain knob because the shift pattern was on the lid of the console..... You should know, you sell reproductions of these shift pattern decals.

    HX/HZ shift knobs had the shift pattern engraved in the top of them because the console was different in these models... Again you should know this as you also sell reproductions of these!!!!

    Late HZ used the WB/Commodore style shifter knob.

    Three different knobs means three different part numbers I assume but can't check it at the moment. Either way your labelling is incorrect.
    Absinth
    Am not saying it is illegal to put 5mm steering wheel on anything other than a HQ, what I am saying we are not prepaid to make a production run and have them banned from sale as we cannot make just 1 or 2 wheels we would at a minimum have to make 500 if we combine production with the 3mm ones and I am not 100% sure that is possible.
    Les

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    Les. Would it be possible to ask for EOIs across the length and breadth of the AU/NZ internet forums and a non-refundable (if the order goes ahead after garnering enough interest) deposit? I guess you would need to make the final price fairly clear from the outset. I'll put my money where my mouth is if you can swing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taily View Post
    Les. Would it be possible to ask for EOIs across the length and breadth of the AU/NZ internet forums and a non-refundable (if the order goes ahead after garnering enough interest) deposit? I guess you would need to make the final price fairly clear from the outset. I'll put my money where my mouth is if you can swing it.

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    I do not believe we have to ask for EOI as I am sure there is a market there, the problem is that we have advice that we should not make them because they will not meet the required standard (ADR) and if that’s the case we would not be able to sell them. From what I have found out today all aftermarket steering wheels must meet ADR’s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Les View Post
    Dave
    I do not believe we have to ask for EOI as I am sure there is a market there, the problem is that we have advice that we should not make them because they will not meet the required standard (ADR) and if that’s the case we would not be able to sell them. From what I have found out today all aftermarket steering wheels must meet ADR’s.
    Les
    that wouldn't make it a replacement part then. seems like it constitutes misleading conduct. you should look at revising your fitment guide
    BQZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Les View Post
    Dave From what I have found out today all aftermarket steering wheels must meet ADR’s.
    Les
    But isnt the goal of Rares to help "restore" your ride...not modify? A part thats different from factory issue would essentially be a mod.....thats the way i see it anyways.

    Thanks Les for trying to help clear the confusion BTW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Les View Post
    Dave
    I do not believe we have to ask for EOI as I am sure there is a market there, the problem is that we have advice that we should not make them because they will not meet the required standard (ADR) and if that’s the case we would not be able to sell them. From what I have found out today all aftermarket steering wheels must meet ADR’s.
    Les
    Maybe your problem is in the wording.... It isn't an aftermarket steering wheel.... It is a reproduction of an original factory supplied steering wheel.

    I wonder how the reproduction GT steering wheels hold up against current ADRs? I wouldn't have thought the XW/XY three spoker would have a better collapse rating than a 5mm GTS wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinth View Post
    Maybe your problem is in the wording.... It isn't an aftermarket steering wheel.... It is a reproduction of an original factory supplied steering wheel.

    I wonder how the reproduction GT steering wheels hold up against current ADRs? I wouldn't have thought the XW/XY three spoker would have a better collapse rating than a 5mm GTS wheel.
    We are not the original manufacture of the wheel so it’s considered an aftermarket product and yes it probably is the wording but unfortunately that’s the way it is
    The XY wheel does not meet the ADR’s as far as we know that why we do not sell them.

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    I was joking abbs lighten up guys its lucky we can get repo parts at all i for one know there parts are not all perfect but at least they are trying
    but without rare spares you would be paying top dollar for second hand parts
    i would like to some panel gaps on these 40 year old van and utes
    some wernt perfect from factory

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    What was the last model Holden made with the 5mm wheel, I have 2 x 3mm wheels and one 5mm?
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