GTS Steering Wheels

[playwme]

It's a reproduction piece. What's a couple of mm's on a spoke if it's not a genuine item anyway? Only time that would really be a problem would be if you were trying to pass off a repro as a NOS genuine one. I'm sure it would be a significant extra cost to reproduce one with different spokes. Can't be as easy as simpy changing the program on a CNC machine (those spokes couldn't be CNC cut could they?)

[Absinth]

It's a reproduction piece. What's a couple of mm's on a spoke if it's not a genuine item anyway? Only time that would really be a problem would be if you were trying to pass off a repro as a NOS genuine one.

yep... That's the mentality that will keep Rare Spares supplying incorrect crap to the masses. I don't want to pass repro off as Nos, I just want a part that is a correct reproduction of the part that I am replacing in my car... model and year of manufacture.... Not incorrect later production parts just because they can be retro-fitted. Might as well put Commodore seats in your HQ Monaro...

I have been catching up and reading through old threads and cannot believe the poor info in this thread.
It is also really hard to have any confidence in the parts being produced by Rares when their staff are supplying incorrect information.

Current ADR requirement is that the wheel spokes must conform to the required thickness and performance. These wheels are ADR approved. earlier HQ series had the thicker spokes.

we are restoring 1970's vehicles.... What have current ADR requirements got to do with it?

Here are a couple of comments from restoration specialists."Had a look and feel of the new GTR/GTS/SLR/SS steering wheel at Rares Virginia yesterday, fantastic job, they are perfect." "Got my brand new gts steering wheel yesterday in the mail from Rare Spares looks like a brand new genuine wheel.It has the 3 mm thick spokes like hx hz wb, not the 5 mm thick hq and hj, but you would be hard pushed to pick the differance between this wheel and an original other than it has zero wear." so my recommendation is that people look at the new wheels

Restoration specialists????? I wouldn't want them restoring my pride and joy when they don't even know the correct part for each model!!!

I have just had discussions with Vicroads who confirm that our obligation at Rare Spares is to produce a steering wheel that conforms to current ADR 12 requirements. You can view the ADR on the Government web site.The take on GMH saving money is yours as the ADR's were taken from European Standards that were in place at the time. To have their vehicles comply then a number of changes were made by GMH, which included the wheels. This has been confirmed by ex Bridgestone management who were involved in the changes. Having a HQ with a thicker spoke wheel still allows it to retain it's registration, however it's when a NEW wheel is fitted that is the concern.The liability is if people decide to fit a thicker spoke wheel to anything other than a HQ. We don't make the legislation but have to follow it.

ADR 12- glare reduction in field of view. This standard ceased to have effect for new vehicles as from 09/12/2003


I think you mean regulation 12 under ADR 10. This does not apply to vehicles manufactured in the 70's and 80's.

No thick spoke wheel after HQ??? Really? Do you not have copies of HJ, HX and HZ parts manuals?

If Vic roads are telling you that a new reproduction steering wheel to be fitted to a 1970's car has to comply with current ADR requirements then they don't know their own legislation.

Please be advised that the ADR's are not specific vehicle identified. A vehicle must meet all the ADR requirements if it is ADR applicable. Some vehicles may be exempt.It is the owners responsibility to maintain a vehicle in ADR requirements, as governed by the federal and state road authorities. That is one reason that people get pulled up or have regular roadworthy inspections.To get a better understanding of regulations etc it may be more informative for you to speak to someone from your state transport authority. As for the parts themselves it is often people modifying vehicles that look at what they can interchange and make those decisions.

ADRs are vehicle specific according to it's date of manufacture. The rest is irrelevant.

FACT:
The motor vehicle standards act 1989 requires that all registered vehicles comply with the relevant ADR's as at the time of manufacture.

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/design/

To make the thicker spoke would cost bugger all .
We are not responsible for what the customer does but in case of accident if the thicker spoke wheel was fitted there is a possibility of legal action

so why not make it if it costs bugger all??? If you label it correctly there can be no legal action taken in the case of an accident. Holden was still selling part no. 2817164 as a replacement part after ADR-10b was revised.



For everyone's information.... Sports steering wheel part no. 2817164 (thick spoke) was used on HQ, HJ, HX and early HZ as listed in the parts manuals. I posted this information 2yrs ago but it seems no one took any notice. Why do you think there are so many thick spoke wheels on EBay and far less thin spoke ones??? They are also date stamped and there are plenty of 1977 dated ones around which has also been posted and ignored.

http://www.mysandman.com.au/forums/s...ares+GTS+wheel

ADR-10b ... Steering columns
Effective date 1st Jan 1973. Revised July 1977 - effective date 1st July 1988

Holden made the change effective from 1st Jan 1978 at the same time as ADR-25a.

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L02687

incedently, I purchased a plain gearstick knob for my HJ recently from Rares and the packaging was labeled HQ to HZ.... Now while it may fit HX and HZ it is not the correct part for these models.... Generic labelling, I find it appalling that their customers must research the correct part they need and check it is correct before making a purchase from Rare Spares.