WB Clutch Problem...

**83 WB_Ute** · 09-04-2012, 05:34 PM

Bump!!! Still havent figured this out.. :( I have found a bump stop that only suits HQ-HJ, but am thinking of applying that to mine and makingmy own stopper..

Unless I can find one???

**buck** · 09-04-2012, 05:47 PM

what stopper are you talking about, on all wbs and late hz the clutch will pull back the other way, no stopper or not on any i have seen, also not a roadworthy item. if you want to stop the cable popping off when you pull it back the wrong way, i have just put a small hose clip around the bit where the cable sits in.
Also if you are trying to set clutch pedal height , should be even with the brake pedal for roadworthy, this is set at the plastic adjustment on the bracket on the gearbox. no slack required in the clutch fork, unlike the rat trap and also no return spring on the outside clutch fork if its late hz or wb.

**wbute** · 09-04-2012, 07:06 PM

There is 100% a little rubber bizzo that wedges in between where the cable end goes into the pedal. This stops the cable un-hooking if you pull the pedal back up towards the dash. Will try and get a pic but it is really hard to see it. I don't have a parts book, but surely someone has a WB one out there with a picture of the clutch pedal assembly. Mine is an April 84 one, so maybe it is a late update as well.
As long as it passes the brake test you will be good to go. Also make sure you have some idea if the place doing your blue slip has any compassion towards old cars or they can make getting a old series car hard to get through. Stupid stuff like sagged door hinges etc become a top priority to some power tripper paper pushers.

**83 WB_Ute** · 09-04-2012, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by buck

what stopper are you talking about, on all wbs and late hz the clutch will pull back the other way, no stopper or not on any i have seen, also not a roadworthy item. if you want to stop the cable popping off when you pull it back the wrong way, i have just put a small hose clip around the bit where the cable sits in.
Also if you are trying to set clutch pedal height , should be even with the brake pedal for roadworthy, this is set at the plastic adjustment on the bracket on the gearbox. no slack required in the clutch fork, unlike the rat trap and also no return spring on the outside clutch fork if its late hz or wb.

Thanks mate, you are correct..

There is no 'rubber stopper' that stops the clutch pedal from being able to be pulled up to the bottom of the dash. The actual pedal where the prong bends (the cable connects to..) it rotates around so as to not let the cable loose and fall off..

Thanks for the info on setting the clutch pedal height, I may use that if I need too..

Originally Posted by wbute

There is 100% a little rubber bizzo that wedges in between where the cable end goes into the pedal. This stops the cable un-hooking if you pull the pedal back up towards the dash. Will try and get a pic but it is really hard to see it. I don't have a parts book, but surely someone has a WB one out there with a picture of the clutch pedal assembly. Mine is an April 84 one, so maybe it is a late update as well.
As long as it passes the brake test you will be good to go. Also make sure you have some idea if the place doing your blue slip has any compassion towards old cars or they can make getting a old series car hard to get through. Stupid stuff like sagged door hinges etc become a top priority to some power tripper paper pushers.

As I said above the bend in the pedal rotates around and prevents the cable from falling off.. I checked my Gregorys manual and it didn't have a picture of the pedals at all, and I checked my parts manual and thats where the clutch setup shows that there is no 'rubber stopper' in there..

That may be a possibility, my pedals are of an April 1980 WB (one of the first few thousand..)

Yeah, there is a possibility that it may not pass the brake test.. :( We have been chasing a vaccum leak for a while, and think that we have pin pointed it to the 'bag' in the brake booster.. Hopefully that is not the case, but if it is I will replace the booster and have another go..

If it does fail it will either be the small amount of rust bubbles showing or the brake booster that make it fail.. :(

Yep, have already picked the place that is going to be doing the blue slip.. We are friends with one of the workers, aswell as the guy that does the blue slips has a HZ wagon that is his daily drive..

Thanks for the help guys..

Its muchly appreciated

**wbute** · 09-04-2012, 08:35 PM

Mate there is a rubber bisso that stops the cable popping out. It does not stop the pedals travel. Without it the cable can and will un-hook. Gregories manuals will show you nothing. They are a rough guide at best. The holden service manuals will show you everything in detail.
I also doubt the pedal height to brake pedal theory. The clutch pedal is set at 188.0 + or - 2.5mm from the floor pan without carpet or the rubber pad on the pedal. This is from the Holden WB series service manual. It is set with no relation to the brake pedal height.
If you want an accurate service manual, buy the HQ series and then buy the WB supplement and you will have all the info you need. It has proper exploded drawings and tech info written by Holden, not 50th hand inaccurate info.

**buck** · 10-04-2012, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by wbute

Mate there is a rubber bisso that stops the cable popping out. It does not stop the pedals travel. Without it the cable can and will un-hook. Gregories manuals will show you nothing. They are a rough guide at best. The holden service manuals will show you everything in detail.
I also doubt the pedal height to brake pedal theory. The clutch pedal is set at 188.0 + or - 2.5mm from the floor pan without carpet or the rubber pad on the pedal. This is from the Holden WB series service manual. It is set with no relation to the brake pedal height.
If you want an accurate service manual, buy the HQ series and then buy the WB supplement and you will have all the info you need. It has proper exploded drawings and tech info written by Holden, not 50th hand inaccurate info.

I just had a mechanic mate of mine in nsw go over the my ute for prelim roadworthy, and pedal height of the clutch compared to brake is definatley a consideration and mine would not of passed, about an inch above the brake pedal. I will be going for vic roadworthy but its just a mate of mine does nsw roadies.

**83 WB_Ute** · 10-04-2012, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by wbute

Mate there is a rubber bisso that stops the cable popping out. It does not stop the pedals travel. Without it the cable can and will un-hook. Gregories manuals will show you nothing. They are a rough guide at best. The holden service manuals will show you everything in detail.
I also doubt the pedal height to brake pedal theory. The clutch pedal is set at 188.0 + or - 2.5mm from the floor pan without carpet or the rubber pad on the pedal. This is from the Holden WB series service manual. It is set with no relation to the brake pedal height.
If you want an accurate service manual, buy the HQ series and then buy the WB supplement and you will have all the info you need. It has proper exploded drawings and tech info written by Holden, not 50th hand inaccurate info.

Pics would be good, but the WB parts manual shows that it has nothing there and the cable just hooks over..

Thats very interesting about the height of the clutch pedal.. I would have never knew that at all and just did the same think buck did..

I will try and get some of those books, they will come in handy when I have more problems like this..

**V6HQUTE** · 10-04-2012, 06:42 PM

just zip tire her on, zip ties and 100mph tape can fix anything

**buck** · 10-04-2012, 07:09 PM

yeah you could use zip ties, i have attached a photo of mine, never comes off now.
2012-04-10 18.02.45.jpg
bloody hard picture to get with the ute interior all reassembled.