Something you all should see..

**sstorana** · 13-05-2010, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Absinth

I think you guys are reading more into this than it actually is. Holden cannot stop anyone from reproducing vehicle spare parts to be sold as "non-genuine spare parts".

I seriously doubt the name "Sandman" could be trade marked by Holden as the name was around long before Holden decided to use it on their vans and utes of the 70's. They probably would have registered the decal design but that registration has long since expired. What you can't do is use the GMH logo or sell any reproduction parts as GMH or Holden approved reproduction parts whereas Rare Spares can.

In the case of the tail tents Holden can't stop anyone from reproducing them but you do need their approval to print the Holden Lion logo on them.

All Rares have done is gain the right to purchase original Holden tooling that Holden no longer requires. Good for them in 30yrs time when VE Commodores become classic cars.

Up until the new designs act 2003 which came into effect in June 2004 you could register a design for a maximum period of 16 years, initially for 1 year and then 3 x 5yr renewals... an aftermarket company can reproduce parts if the design is no longer registered. Our early Holdens have long passed the expiry date on registered designs.

Under the new act a company can manufacture non-genuine spare parts for any vehicle manufactured after June 2004 without infringing registered design. Design registration is now a maximum of 10 years.

Absinth,

Believe me, we have done a little research into this..
As far as the name Sandman goes, see here..
http://pericles.ipaustralia.gov.au/a...7&p_rec_all=15

renewal date: 2014!!

regards
Mick

**agr071** · 13-05-2010, 08:28 PM

Isn't there something saying that if you make 3 MINOR changes, copyright becomes void??

**Absinth** · 13-05-2010, 10:08 PM

Agro, vehicle parts don't come under copyright laws.

sstorana, what research have you done besides look up the trademarks? Have you consulted a lawyer?
I don't see any registered trademark for the decal sets, only picture logo's with a panelvan. There are other Sandman trademarks for medical equipment, sandman floor sanding, sandman consultancy and sandman mattresses.

Regardless, the decals have a part number and are therefor car parts... under the designs act you can legally reproduce non genuine replacement parts. Sandman decals has been doing them for years without a problem, why would Jason have problems now?

Jason, if you are not going to proceed with the decals I would be happy to take the artwork and ink off your hands and start producing them...:lol:

**stickthis** · 13-05-2010, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Absinth

Agro, vehicle parts don't come under copyright laws.

sstorana, what research have you done besides look up the trademarks? Have you consulted a lawyer?
I don't see any registered trademark for the decal sets, only picture logo's with a panelvan. There are other Sandman trademarks for medical equipment, sandman floor sanding, sandman consultancy and sandman mattresses.

Regardless, the decals have a part number and are therefor car parts... under the designs act you can legally reproduce non genuine replacement parts. Sandman decals has been doing them for years without a problem, why would Jason have problems now?

Jason, if you are not going to proceed with the decals I would be happy to take the artwork and ink off your hands and start producing them...:lol:

Mate Sandman stripes are something that I will not back down on. These will get made. ASAP.

**Shadowmax** · 14-05-2010, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by stickthis

Mate Sandman stripes are something that I will not back down on. These will get made. ASAP.

Good work mate, I think I'll get a set to put away while you have them available for an eventual respray one day ... I'd hate to have to source them through Rare Spares, I avoid reproduction parts as a rule and have never had much respect for the crap Rare Spares supply, I hope the quality has got better than how I remember it with they're parts.

Originally Posted by Absinth

Good for them in 30yrs time when VE Commodores become classic cars.

Lol ... why would the VE ever become a classic, there hasn't been a Commodore yet in the first 30 years that qualifies as classic ... the sooner they are all off the road the better ... ;)

**stickthis** · 14-05-2010, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Shadowmax

Lol ... why would the VE ever become a classic, there hasn't been a Commodore yet in the first 30 years that qualifies as classic ... the sooner they are all off the road the better ... ;)

Ive sold over 20 sets of VN SS stripes in the last week and a bit. The VN SS will be the next big collector car.