You have to forget you are on a bike when you ride one, and think jet ski. Then suddenly they start to make sense in how they operate. Vombil, 70's. 90's, 110's etc were dangerous. especially when you did stuff like we used to do to them eg bore and stroke a 90cc engine to 310cc and run them on methanol! Once you get on a suspended one especially 1983 ATC250R onwards they are a different beast totally. Nothing will keep pace with them on terrain like Stockton beach.