thanks it just looked like the one I posted from blast from the past...it was a Belmont....and that colour the brighter yellow, like our yellow van.....Absinth maybe....anyways it didnt' have a roofrack...his was not a sandman either...most of the vans my friends had were not sandmans or if they were didn't have decals on them....never looked at the id plates as wasn't really an issue in those days...lol.....