I am so confused HJ Sandman

**wbute** · 29-09-2012, 07:59 AM

Funny how Holden contradict themselves. They say the numbers on the tags could make it a sandman yet then say the dealers decided which cars became sandmans. They say they will verify that an xx7 Brisbane build is a sandman though. The dealers must have had to travel to the assembly plant to stamp the tags....

**RodneyHZ253** · 29-09-2012, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by wbute

Funny how Holden contradict themselves. They say the numbers on the tags could make it a sandman yet then say the dealers decided which cars became sandmans. They say they will verify that an xx7 Brisbane build is a sandman though. The dealers must have had to travel to the assembly plant to stamp the tags....

And they must of had to travel to the factory to install HX,HZ strips or is this just a HJ comment

HK you may be able to carry out a face time ,speaker phone call with cheeseabeer and get him to point the phone to the places that would let see the things on the body that would help confirm
Just a possibility as phone screens are very clear these days

Would the height and thickness of the side strips or rails for the hood lining help didn't these change during hj's

Is this van a matching chassis number to the tags,matching chassis my also point to it being some what original

So is this a adelaide body from Body I'd plate and Sydney assembly from the vin plate ,I was aware that this happen with Adelaide and Melbourne like our yellow hz and ski mans

Hard to imagine it would be sold new in Brisbane but strange things happen in commercial world

**Blocker** · 29-09-2012, 10:42 AM

Thanks for the reminder Rodney. According to this engineering document the retainer changed in Aug 76. I like how the XX7 & XU3 seems to be an afterthought at the top of the line.
Retainer Headlining.jpg

**RodneyHZ253** · 29-09-2012, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Blocker

Thanks for the reminder Rodney. According to this engineering document the retainer changed in Aug 76. I like how the XX7 & XU3 seems to be an afterthought at the top of the line.
Retainer Headlining.jpg

What a great document bit hard to read but it looks like it also gives a reason for the change to make installation of ceiling easier

**wbute** · 29-09-2012, 10:57 AM

Wow that's a good document to have. Invaluable stuff. I hope there are a few copies made of those sorts of documents. They are easily lost for ever in the event of a house fire etc.

**Blocker** · 29-09-2012, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by RodneyHZ253

What a great document bit hard to read but it looks like it also gives a reason for the change to make installation of ceiling easier

You can click on the picture and it will enlarge... or you looking at it on your iphone again?

Originally Posted by wbute

Wow that's a good document to have. Invaluable stuff. I hope there are a few copies made of those sorts of documents. They are easily lost for ever in the event of a house fire etc.

Please don't burn down my house!
Byron has a copy of this as well.

**wbute** · 29-09-2012, 11:18 AM

Ah not planing on it this week blocker lol. Just speaking from experience that stuff like that is better with more than one copy in more than one place.

**KRUPTOR** · 29-09-2012, 12:26 PM

So in the HJ panel vans,you either had a hj panel van or a hj sandman panel van???Was there anthying inbetween you could get or optioned etc???As mentioned before about 2 different places of assembly on the different plates.
On my HJ the vin plate says that it was a sydney assembly plant.On the model/paint trim plate it was a Adelaide plant assembly???

**playwme** · 29-09-2012, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by RodneyHZ253

speaker phone call with cheeseabeer and get him

Think that might be a "her" Rodney.

Cheeza, the Hj can be a tricky one. It might not be possible to confirm that it Is a Sandman, but then again it's also hard to prove it Isn't. A letter from Holden means squat. Every one of those things I've ever seen has some kind of mistake on it and you get more different opinions from Holden as you will if you posted on Fastlane.

At the end of the day, you've got a nice modified van that was a pretty good price considering what was done to it. You've got the lower load rating of 1950 and 2 seats, which are a good sign. Those 2 things could make it an XU4 but there seems to be a lot less XU4 around than there are XX7. People are naturally going to be a bit apprehensive about saying that it definitely is. Recent court cases have shown that there could be liability issues there.
Basically, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then you call it duck. If some random stranger tries to give you an uninformed opinion that it's not a duck, then tell him to duck off. Enjoy it while you have it, and if there ever comes a time you have to sell just state that you believe it to be a Sandman and let potential purchasers do their own research and make their own decision.