Geez a lot of forums have gone quiet lately, but I think that the lack of comments on this thread over the last few years might point to how disinterested we've all become in the v8 supercar series?
Geez a lot of forums have gone quiet lately, but I think that the lack of comments on this thread over the last few years might point to how disinterested we've all become in the v8 supercar series?
Maybe, lets see:
I find it unbelievable that Bogans took to this bogus series at all.
All have the same frame, diff, gearbox, brakes and tyres.
5.0 litre engines that aren't from any production car. Panel's that aren't from any production car.
Pace car, Safety car!
If it wasn't for the dinner plate sized badge you wouldn't have clue what "brand" they represent.
The dinner plate badge is the reason people watch. Some people still think it's Holden, Ford, Nissan and Volvo.
Others know it's got nothing to do with any of those brands.
V8 Go Cart Series.
I'm probably in the minority here, but I enjoy V8 Supercars.
OK, If you are expecting it to be production based, a bit like Series Prod, Group C or Group E, you will be very disappointed. Apart from the engines, very little is manufacturer related. It's a bit like NASCAR, where the cars are very close & if they aren't, adjustments to parity are made.
Having said that, the racing has never been closer with 12 different winners this year alone. The Red Bull cars are the standouts, but at many tracks they didn't get their own way.
Several attempts have made at 'production based' touring car racing, Bathurst 12 hr & later Group E, but for whatever reason they never seem to get very far.
Dr Terry
Nissan have got a nerve promoting their car as "Stranger Danger" alluding to non Genuine parts sold in the market. I bet that car doesn't have too many so called Genuine parts fitted to it. What a slap for all those Aftermarket companies that produce parts, have them fitted and then pay out lots of money in sponsorship for this Nissan car. The ACCC enquiry into the industry will shake some of these urban myths over what is genuine and more importantly who can service your car and have access to the imformation required to complete that service. After all it is your car, you paid for it and you should be able to get it serviced.
I agree 100% with what you say Greg, but I do think that the OEMs should have exclusivity to some parts at least early in the vehicles life.Originally Posted by gregbark
What I'm getting at is, the OEM spends $millions developing a certain product. It might be a body panel or a front suspension component, but the fact is, they really should have the rights to their own design, until say the end of warranty. At that time any manufacturer can then make an equivalent replacement part.
What annoys me is the low end crappy (usually Chinese) parts that flood the market, that in many cases are downright dangerous. A good case in point are brake pads. The OEM has to spend big $$$ to meet performance criteria & then satisfy any relevant ADRs, but anybody can import cheap pads (made out of cardboard or similar) which don't have to pass any tests at all & can be sold to the retail customer for him to fit to the family car.
Dr Terry
Dr Terry, I agree with your comments about crappy parts that come into the country through numerous means. However that doesn't mean that all Aftermarket parts can be considered crappy. particularly when the OEM's don't make the parts themselves and some comanies that supply them also supply the aftermarket, albeit in different packaging. If you take your products I am sure you consider them as suitable replacements for genuine parts ,as do many Australian parts suppliers. The current ACCC enquiry is all about consumers being aware that they have more rights than the car companies try to portray. They can get their car serviced where they want and with parts of equal or better quality. The Nissan Supercar is trying to convince the public that their parts are better but in actual fact is using parts that are not so called genuine. Do you think they would tell the truth about their parts- I doubt it.
I don't understand why these go carts need to be "close" and all the same. Adjusting rules so that they are all close and even contests.
That's the bloody problem with this type of racing more rules/restrictions is always the answer. Use to be the superior car and driver could smash the rest and made a statement!
Anyway, I don't like it and that's just my opinion. But I can tell you if the dinner plate badges weren't allowed (and should they be?) the public support they do have would drop off.
Most people support a marque/brand and not necessarily a driver or team. Put the exact same cars out there with Kia, Skoda and Daihutsu skins with dinner plate badges and lets see the crowds.
100% correct. I sell a mix of genuine & aftermarket parts & as you say they often come from the same supplier & as you say in different packaging.
I suppose my main beef is with brake parts, because I only sell OEM or equivalent parts & many other suppliers just sell whatever they can get cheapest. Some of cheap crap on the market defies description. The brake hoses I make are fully ADR approved, every component & procedure, both stock & braided style. There are many other brake hoses on the market that are not approved & appear to be very poorly made. These are for sale everywhere !
Dr Terry
Sorry but artificial close racing does not interest me. Actually al the cars are exactly the same so it's like watching a computer generated game. Real racing is uneven.
Ah I just don't like it. It's sterile by the numbers stuff. Give me tilt tray trucks on the track during racing at Mt Panorama and slow cars in other classes any day.
"Ditto" from me..... At least it has given me back some time over the weekends that I used to enjoy sitting watching the V8's.
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