Yeah i,ve tried the Armour-all Dave ,but still has that light grey appearance and as soon as you wipe it off it goes grey again,so i was thinking maybe some sort of dye ,i have seen some on the bidding site that have been reconditioned and dyed and wanted to do this myself ,not sure what sort of dye to use,black trim dye could be the stuff ?any ideas where to find this?Ta Paul.