Could you option power windows on a sandman?

[SANM4N]

mmm i do agree with you people may think things are factory fitted when they are really dealer fitted/ after market items which is very likely with these sill trims, both front and back edges of a prem sill trim are tapered back towards the centre of the car the front is angled to the back of the car the back cut is angled to the front of the car when i say angled i dont mean the obvious angle in this pic i mean the ribbed sections taper out if you were to set up a drop saw and cut this angle you would end up with hollow ribs it was a very good job no matter how it was done

[Big Rob]

Dr Terry, has put into very well written words what I was trying to say.

The problem with most options were that if a customer ordered a certain "option" it didn't matter to them who fitted it, just that the car was supplied to them with those things fitted.
Then if they were rare, and the car passed through a few subsequent owners, the "options" on the car appeared factory fitted.

I've seen so many in my life that were claimed to be factory that in the end you just have to believe them.

I reckon that if a person ordered a car with certain things on it and a Holden dealer supplied the car with those items fitted from new, then that means a car could be claimed as "Factory optioned" with those parts. Even if it was a "one off".

[ABSINTH74HQ]

It's still a common thing, I owned a VQ SV90 CAPRICE now they were never made! The customer approached the dealer wanting the CAPRICE not the STATESMAN as a base for his HSV, the dealer simply fitted all the parts at the time of PD, anbd had whatever mods done to the engine for the 200KW upgrade... bingo! SV90 Caprice. It still hasn't got the HSV build tags etc even though the dealer receipt said something along the lines of HSV SV90 Package on it.
Another example is the leather trim in all the Hilux's that work buys, the dealer has it done before we receive the car, because Toyota don't do leather trim in a hilux.

The fact is this sort of practice is still not uncommon today, but with time and numerous owners, the facts get blurred, and the truth is lost for a better story!

[Dr Terry]

Yes, the trim thing was always being played with. I remember doing some work at a Toyota dealer in the mid 80s, when a customer ordered a car in a certain interior trim colour, which wasn't immediately available. They had a car in stock which had all the requested options & other bits, but the interior was a light beige & the buyer wanted darker tan. Their solution was to get that car & another which had the wrong combo, but had the required interior trim & swap interiors. Pretty easy job, when both cars were the same model & brand new.

This could lead to dramas in future years when attempting to replacing interior parts using the body ID plate info.

Dr Terry

[Taily]

I've seen something similar during my apprentiship at Tony Packards at Castle Hill. A customer wanted a Calais Turbo wagon, so they built one out of a turbo wagon, complete with the different front, dash and steering wheel, alloy wheels, paint outs, badgework, and interior. I cannot remember how they got around the rear seat design/trim issue but like the rest of the vehicle would have had to be custom done.

I guess it would have been interesting later on to sell it as a Calais (8VX) model number where the compliance plate would have been 8VL.

Funny you should mention Suttons Chullora Rob, that is where my grandparents bought their ute( much to the chagrin of a certain couple of other family members), had it pulled down and changed to suit their needs to travel around the country with (they bought a slide-on camper at the same time in 1975).

When was your friend there?

[Big Rob]

I've seen something similar during my apprentiship at Tony Packards at Castle Hill. A customer wanted a Calais Turbo wagon, so they built one out of a turbo wagon, complete with the different front, dash and steering wheel, alloy wheels, paint outs, badgework, and interior. I cannot remember how they got around the rear seat design/trim issue but like the rest of the vehicle would have had to be custom done.

I guess it would have been interesting later on to sell it as a Calais (8VX) model number where the compliance plate would have been 8VL.

Funny you should mention Suttons Chullora Rob, that is where my grandparents bought their ute( much to the chagrin of a certain couple of other family members), had it pulled down and changed to suit their needs to travel around the country with (they bought a slide-on camper at the same time in 1975).

When was your friend there?

He was there for sure then.

He was with Suttons when I met him (1969/70...) and I think he left sometime in the early '80's.

He used to turn up at my place in all sorts of "demonstrators" to have a beer with my Dad after work at least a couple of times a week. I'd come home and there'd be a GTS, or SL/R 5000, or Sandman!!!!!! in the driveway. You can imagine how much fun I had sitting in them and wishing I was old enough to drive them.

Then when I WAS old enough, I got to have more than a bit of fun and wear out some tyres 'round in the industrial area nearby!

I reckon almost all my mates got a car from him in our 1st couple of years of driving, Vans, Toranas, Monaros, etc....

They were great times.