There is one thing you can't beat about either model, in both the HQ and HZ you can have the heat set on your feet and open the drivers window 2 inches, this makes your feet toasty warm and sucks the heat up over your body yet leaves your face cool and avoids making you drowsy. Not like the POS VE, every time you turn the fan on the MONGREL A/C comes on. Whoever designed the ventilation system in the VE should be taken out the back and shot!! I hope the VF has a more user friendly heating/cooling system. Holden needs to go back 40 years to see what a good HVAC system should be.