I would not have thought these to be factory windows. It is one very gray area when it comes to side panel glass in Sandman's/Holden Panel Vans.Originally Posted by RodneyHZ253
I would not have thought these to be factory windows. It is one very gray area when it comes to side panel glass in Sandman's/Holden Panel Vans.
That glass is marked 1973, denoted by the DOT above the letter M.
As for it being factory fitted. I'd like to see the Production Broadcast Sheet.
Never would a '74 built car get '73 dated windscreen or any other glass.
It is still a very grey science.
I have the broadcast sheet for this car, has A09 on it. Obviously Acacia Ridge didn't fit them at that time and relied upon the dealer to fit like the stripes.
The dating on glass goes by quarters. I think this one is 4th quarter 1973 which is OK for an earlier 1974 HQ especially low volume glass like side glass.
The dating dot is done by year and by quarters. The dot above the M is the year. The dot under the (is it a 1 or a I) on the ASRI is the quarter. So it is final quarter of 1973.
This would date it OK if the Sandman is a first quarter build of 1974 if not the glass is wrong.
Pilkington Glass is a mid 1970's supplier to Holden. Previous to that all Holden glass was marked Armourplate and later Armourglas.
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To add to the windows they are either etched or stamped wih pilkington glass on them, and we have a set if anyone wants them
HZ Jasmine Yellow Windowless Sandman, now being driven everywhere and is finished!
HZ Madeira Red Windowless sandman now Sold to Bigrob
HX Mandarin Red Sandman Ute finished, and club registered
1979 HZ malachite windowless van with 308 5spd, all chromed up and shiny finished and named "The Player"
Married to RodneyHZ253
Are the factory windows just flat glass or is there some curve to them?
I will check goat but thinking flat
HZ Jasmine Yellow Windowless Sandman, now being driven everywhere and is finished!
HZ Madeira Red Windowless sandman now Sold to Bigrob
HX Mandarin Red Sandman Ute finished, and club registered
1979 HZ malachite windowless van with 308 5spd, all chromed up and shiny finished and named "The Player"
Married to RodneyHZ253
What is A09 exactly? Is it supply glass or prepare for delivery?
Dealer fitment isn't very likely as a lot of dealers didn't have the capability. They would have had to outsource it themselves.
What do you say Byron about the side glass in Jennie's?
I say it's odd that these were rarely advertised or pushed as an option. Sales brochures are devoid of any mention and it certainly wasn't optioned before HQ.
Canopy Industries were the main mob in New South Wales and they go way back to FJ Panel Vans. My son has a HJ Van with "curved" side glass and appears to be factory.
They are a lot larger then those shown in Jennie's Sandman.
A09 is fixed side windows (70 body style only). Some body plants had the capability of fitting them (or organising to have them fitted), we've all seen the photos of Elizabeth HZ bodies on their way to interstate assembly plants with side windows installed. Whether or not Acacia Ridge body plant did fit them at any stage is anyone's guess. We do know that Buickzz's were sent in the car to the dealer, and the dealer arranged fitment by a 3rd party, same 3rd party did the stripes. So at least during this time of HQ the body plant at Acacia Ridge didn't fit them, but as they are on the broadcast sheet the car was ordered that way.
No idea about Jennie's, it is a Pagewood van so it is an Elizabeth body so compare it to the Elizabeth bodies on the train. Don't forget that some "ordered" vehicles are not built to order, but taken from plant stock or from the actual schedule for vehicle ordered for plant stock, so it is possible that whomever ordered Jennie's saw it allocated from an existing stock/order and the windows were arranged by the dealer.
There are lots of options that don't appear on sales brochures, heaps to be exact! Many I had never heard of before I got hold of ordering procedures. There is no mention of fixed side glass in the HG commercial order procedure I have, so you are probably right that HQ ws the first to have the "factory" option of fixed side glass.
It is possible also that Elizabeth body plant used a 3rd party, and the glass is Jennie's van is typical of South Australian installs?
Clear as mud, but thanks for your answer on A09.
Time for me to dig out some of my Holden literature and see if I can prove or disprove any of this!
One thing I'm pretty sure on is that "if" Holden were to release the side glass as an option it will not vary between plants (unless it was totally outsourced).
What other of the "heaps" of options do you know of that weren't mentioned in sales brochures and Holden literature?
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