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    You just confirmed what I suggested Rod, that the apparant misnomer comes from the headlight surrounds. In the HZ features manual for XX7/XU3 it says (not in this order but i've arranged it to make sense): DELETE Holden front sheetmetal, Holden grille, headlamp bezels and badge. Add GTS headlamp bezels, GTS black painted grille, GTS front sheetmetal and Kingswood grille badge.
    The HZ Sandman sales brochure is pretty clear though, refers to the nose as a "four headlamp front" and "four quartz halogen headlamps" in a few different places. Quad is not used though.

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    So long as you don't call single 7" front "Twin" people will know what you mean. Once you enter that into the description you confuse people.

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    Maybe Four Headlight front and Two headlight front is better.

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    Just stick to twin head light front ffs its been like that for many years and the majority of holden fans will know what your talking about
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glacier 73 View Post
    Just stick to twin head light front ffs its been like that for many years and the majority of holden fans will know what your talking about
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    It hasn't been like that for years though, it has always been four/quad and twin/two for me. It is the headlight surrounds that are single/twin.

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    Well eventually, some time after mid 1979, Holden moved with the time's, and started identifying part's with the names most commonly used.. I experienced an issue with part names about six months after I bought my ute in 79. I lowered my ute so it didn't look & handle like a 40 series landcruiser at the time.

    I had finished doing a service and was reversing off the ramp's, unfortunately I came down too quick and the spoiler caught the edge of the ramp and cracked in three places. So back to the selling dealer to make some enquiries about a replacement. I asked the gentleman about a new front spoiler, I had to explain to him the part required, and point it out in the parts manual. It was then known as an "Air Dam."

    Today these part's are known as spoiler's, the language all understand. I could never grasp why Holden referred to them in a text book term, when they were aiming a product squarely at the youth market. My spoiler ended up being welded, and looked brand new again for the price of two dozen can's of tooheys draught.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbo View Post
    Well eventually, some time after mid 1979, Holden moved with the time's, and started identifying part's with the names most commonly used.. I experienced an issue with part names about six months after I bought my ute in 79. I lowered my ute so it didn't look & handle like a 40 series landcruiser at the time.

    I had finished doing a service and was reversing off the ramp's, unfortunately I came down too quick and the spoiler caught the edge of the ramp and cracked in three places. So back to the selling dealer to make some enquiries about a replacement. I asked the gentleman about a new front spoiler, I had to explain to him the part required, and point it out in the parts manual. It was then known as an "Air Dam."

    Today these part's are known as spoiler's, the language all understand. I could never grasp why Holden referred to them in a text book term, when they were aiming a product squarely at the youth market. My spoiler ended up being welded, and looked brand new again for the price of two dozen can's of tooheys draught.
    Sorry Robbo, I completely disagree with you about your front air dam. it is nowadays referred to as a spoiler as so many people in the industry just got tired of trying to correct a bogan with a skinfull in a pub, so bogan then breeds and what hope does the next generation have? The dealer lost you probably because it was called the correct term in the book rather than the generic "lets call everything ever fitted to a car a spoiler" brigade standard response. The correct term "spoiler" refers solely to what many know as a lip spoiler or just a spoiler (think Bathurst A9X), which had the sole function of interrupting and changing the behaviour of the boundary layer of air at the back edge of the bootlid (ie; spoil) the airflow, and causing a shift and consequent modification of the low pressure area behind a vehicle at high speeds and downforce at low to mid range speeds.

    Not to be confused with the tem "rear wing" which has the sole function of downforce and is the typical shopping trolley handle type device usually fitted to ricers and the Plymouth Roadrunner.

    A front air dam is just that, a device to disperse air around the sides of the vehicle rather than allow air under a vehicle. What this does is reduce air pressure under a car at high speed which helps keep it planted on the road. The ones along the sills are called skirts and the one under the back bumper a diffuser.
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    Holden also called Tailgates, "End Gates" there are a thousand of others. Holden parts book terminology is not something we should aspire to.
    I mean who calls a Tailshaft a Propeller Shaft? Or a Dress Rim, Wheel Embellishers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Innuendo View Post
    Holden also called Tailgates, "End Gates" there are a thousand of others. Holden parts book terminology is not something we should aspire to.
    I mean who calls a Tailshaft a Propeller Shaft? Or a Dress Rim, Wheel Embellishers?
    End gates, comes from the original incarnation of the ute and has it origins at Ford Australia. Side gates and end gates were different lengths and could be removed from the vehicle hence the different name.

    Prop shaft? About 2/3 of the world up until front wheel drive started to take on which brought a new term "CV shaft" (not to be confused with CV joint) - and then a new term: Drive shaft (or, more correctly: shaft, driven) started to surface in texts in the 70's and 80's to replace tailshaft as the sexxy "one word fits all" descriptor.

    Tongue firmly planted in cheek question for you.... How would you describe the use of the word "hubcap". Is it a big shiny chrome disc or dome shaped thing to cover a wheel rim or a small cup shaped metal device knocked into the outward facing part of a wheel bearing hub?

    The real answer to most automotive parts names locally is that we (as a country) have previously bastardised the language a bit and we still continue to.

    Some names we don't use but are quite aware of in which countries they belong: fender, wing, hood, trunk, bumper etc fall immediately to mind.
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    Yeah Prop shaft was pretty common but the full name of propeller shaft next to never unless your a Pommy.
    Where they ever got "Wing" for mudguard from I'll never know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taily View Post
    Tongue firmly planted in cheek question for you.... How would you describe the use of the word "hubcap". Is it a big shiny chrome disc or dome shaped thing to cover a wheel rim or a small cup shaped metal device knocked into the outward facing part of a wheel bearing hub?
    LOL yes I hear where your coming from. I'd say the first because the second is a grease cap not a hubcap as we know it!

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