all good advice i dont have anything to compress the springs with, its normally not a hassle but id like to have the springs in so i can tick a job off the list i could wait until the body is on the chassis and then do it but im keen now, and i dont want to tie them i think i should be alright with the angle ill just have to see, ive got to redo my lower control arms first anyways now as the balljoint hole is too flogged out so it wont be until next weekend or later that ill be fitting the springs, cheers for the replys still havnt heard what height you guys are using