What are the next collectables? What should we keeping?

[buck]

What HK1837 means is that the Coupe4, GTS & GTO are not badged Monaros. They are HSVs.

A bit like the HX LE & HZ GTS, only more so. Apparently HSV can't use Holden's nameplates.

Dr Terry

i must admit people seem to get a bit funny about HSV, after all i thought HSV stood for "Holden Special Vehicles", so as far as iam concerned the GTO, GTS, COUPE 4 all started life as a Monaros.

[HK1837]

i must admit people seem to get a bit funny about HSV, after all i thought HSV stood for "Holden Special Vehicles", so as far as iam concerned the GTO, GTS, COUPE 4 all started life as a Monaros.

They were never a Monaro, and that is the problem. Ford have been smart and used their heritage and called some pretty awful cars (and some good ones) GT's and they are seen to be collectable already, and will be in teh future. Holden stuffed up and created a different Company called HSV and didn't use their heritage wisely. There should always have been a Monaro GTS and a Sandman, but it ended up as poo with a GTO and GTS and a Maloo. Stupid.

[Alien DNA]

They were never a Monaro, and that is the problem. Ford have been smart and used their heritage and called some pretty awful cars (and some good ones) GT's and they are seen to be collectable already, and will be in teh future. Holden stuffed up and created a different Company called HSV and didn't use their heritage wisely. There should always have been a Monaro GTS and a Sandman, but it ended up as poo with a GTO and GTS and a Maloo. Stupid.

200% agree.

[Flamenco_not_Flamingo]

They were never a Monaro, and that is the problem. Ford have been smart and used their heritage and called some pretty awful cars (and some good ones) GT's and they are seen to be collectable already, and will be in teh future. Holden stuffed up and created a different Company called HSV and didn't use their heritage wisely. There should always have been a Monaro GTS and a Sandman, but it ended up as poo with a GTO and GTS and a Maloo. Stupid.

You could be right there HK, maybe in terms of "heritage" Ford did badge well and perhaps create collectibles, but as Dr. Terry points out, HSV cars are not counted in total Commodore sales and so with that in mind between 1991 and 2013 there were roughly 1424988 Falcons made in total and same period Holden Commodores there were 1515262 manufactured not counting the HSV vehicles.

So in my opinion, Holdens marketing of their "Image" cars was actually pretty smart and drove sales, there was a model for everyone, from the " inspirational " channel to the "arrived" channel in the market and I think, and I could be wrong, race heritage is one thing and I think that's important but you cant beat the emotional reasons for why things are sort after and leave an indelible print on some ones psyche.

Just my opinion.

[Dr Terry]

i must admit people seem to get a bit funny about HSV, after all i thought HSV stood for "Holden Special Vehicles", so as far as iam concerned the GTO, GTS, COUPE 4 all started life as a Monaros.

Yes, that's basically true, but HSV is a separate privately owned entity & are officially classified by the Govt. as a separate manufacturer.

This is my point about the Mazda3 supposedly being the top selling car in Australia. Once again Holden have 'one hand tied behind their back'.

If you add the Commodore sales, ute sales (which are still VF Holdens), then add the LWB (Caprice) & the HSVs (which are all Commodore-based), this makes Commodore the top seller. But that's not how it's done.

Dr Terry