What are the next collectables? What should we keeping?

[Dr Terry]

i must admit people seem to get a bit funny about HSV, after all i thought HSV stood for "Holden Special Vehicles", so as far as iam concerned the GTO, GTS, COUPE 4 all started life as a Monaros.

Yes, that's basically true, but HSV is a separate privately owned entity & are officially classified by the Govt. as a separate manufacturer.

This is my point about the Mazda3 supposedly being the top selling car in Australia. Once again Holden have 'one hand tied behind their back'.

If you add the Commodore sales, ute sales (which are still VF Holdens), then add the LWB (Caprice) & the HSVs (which are all Commodore-based), this makes Commodore the top seller. But that's not how it's done.

Dr Terry

[HK1837]

I totally get why people think a HSV is a Holden. But if a HSV is a Holden then a Lexus especially the early ones are a Toyota, a Maverick is a Nissan and a Lexan is a Holden. You might as well call a Corolla a Holden too, and an Apollo a Toyota as all of these have more in common with their cousin car than a HSV does with its Holden base vehicle.

[Flamenco_not_Flamingo]

They were never a Monaro, and that is the problem. Ford have been smart and used their heritage and called some pretty awful cars (and some good ones) GT's and they are seen to be collectable already, and will be in teh future. Holden stuffed up and created a different Company called HSV and didn't use their heritage wisely. There should always have been a Monaro GTS and a Sandman, but it ended up as poo with a GTO and GTS and a Maloo. Stupid.

You could be right there HK, maybe in terms of "heritage" Ford did badge well and perhaps create collectibles, but as Dr. Terry points out, HSV cars are not counted in total Commodore sales and so with that in mind between 1991 and 2013 there were roughly 1424988 Falcons made in total and same period Holden Commodores there were 1515262 manufactured not counting the HSV vehicles.

So in my opinion, Holdens marketing of their "Image" cars was actually pretty smart and drove sales, there was a model for everyone, from the " inspirational " channel to the "arrived" channel in the market and I think, and I could be wrong, race heritage is one thing and I think that's important but you cant beat the emotional reasons for why things are sort after and leave an indelible print on some ones psyche.

Just my opinion.

[Gaddy]

The Coupe four IMO will hold its value well. Rarity or low numbered special builds will get there also.
But I really don't like the 88 walikies they just look waaayyy overdone, but they are fetching big $$, so I guess it's all about personal taste in the end.

Gaddy.

[HK1837]

And in the end the fact we are all nominating different cars means there may be a few that people actually want in the future. wbute with HSV's in general, Innuendo with HBD utes, me with V2 CV8 Monaros, Jennie and Rod with their GT - all very different and any just as valid as the other as a prediction.

[hx-sandman]

So "collectable" Australian cars thus far IMO have been driven by the nostalgia one gets when you hit that late 30's to early 50's age bracket. You start to desire the "tough" cars of your teens or early 20's - and so do a certain number of your peers and prices escalate. For many here it is the Sandman model. For some it's the Brock cars of the early 80's.

So if we take that as a basis we need to be thinking about what the next generation after most of us were into when they were in the ten to early 20's bracket.

Where I grew up it was all about Japanese cars after the age of torana's, monaro's and gts had passed. The generation after me were into skyline's, supra's etc.

So will they be collectable? Maybe not, but I can't see many base model Holdens making anyone rich. The HSV Coupe4 would be my top tip for "modern" Australian cars, but so few people even know them. Personally, I find the modern "monaros" have aged badly in the looks department.

Of course the iconic sleeper is the WB - WB utes (factory kingswood V8's) have not gone down in value at any time that I remember and good ones still sell for more than they cost new. Perhaps the VE/VF utes will hold value when production ceases. Won't make you a fortune but look after it and it will still be worth money in 20 years.

[wbute]

WB did plummet in value from mid 90's until now really. I see they are starting climb in value again. See some asking 10k bit there are never any good original ones for sale. People can't even tell the difference between a Kingswood and a standard ute anymore.
There is no way you can count all commodore based platform cars I. One sales group. It would not make any difference if you could anyway. They have still sold the same amount of cars. They would still get beaten as other companies would do the same thing. Toyota could count all their different Landcruisers in one group. I guess they would out number total Commodore sales by a bit.
HSV was hardly going to revive the Sandman name instead of the Maloo name. Sandmans were not really desirable in 1990 were they. Maybe now the name would generate some interest.
The majority of people on this forum are not going to have any connection to HSV as they were developed for a different generation. I like the VG Maloo because it came at a time when Holden had abandoned a generation of young people who wanted a stand out performance ute. Remember up till then my generation had only a choice of second hand 70's designed models from Holden. The Maloo was what most young people wanted, not something that their Dads drove around in.

[Valencia]

My personal spin on is I don't think any of the modern cars are going to be as valuable as the early stuff , I think the earlier cars like Monaros and Toranas are so valuable is because they have race heritage or Brock DNA, I cant think of any Holden that is worth triple figures that doesn't have one of those qualities in its blood line. The 427 for sure is a rare beast and will be always sort after, I owed a CV8-R Monaro until recently with a view it maybe a collectible being one of only 320 built but the fact is there are way to many Monaros CV8 and CV8Z for sale for them ever to be really valuable. I think the new GTS supercharged and probably the last lot of Holden V8's that roll out could be something to behold. Its all unknown and just how each of us perceive what we think will be a collectable, I personally like the VN SS.

I think your spot on craig no one is going to want a busted up old commodore unless it had racing heritage
the Coupe 4 is the only one i think will go up in value forget the rest

Here is another question who is going to want our sandmans in 20 years time not the youth of today thats for sure

[HK1837]

I'm not certain on that. We'd all have a really nice EH-HR ute if it was offered at the right price, we just don't value them as much as we'd value a V8 HQ ute in the same condition, but unless it is a Sandman they are both worth about the same today.

[Dr Terry]

There is no way you can count all commodore based platform cars I. One sales group. It would not make any difference if you could anyway. They have still sold the same amount of cars. They would still get beaten as other companies would do the same thing. Toyota could count all their different Landcruisers in one group. I guess they would out number total Commodore sales by a bit.

Not so.

There are basically only 3 types of Landcruisers sold concurrently, the large (150 Series), Prado (120 Series) & Troopies (70 Series). I believe vFacts count Prados separately from the other 2 & then 150 & 70 all in one figure. This includes LWB, SWB, 2-doors, 4-doors, utes, wagons, everything.

If they can do it, why can't Commodore.

If you put all Commodores together in Feb sales figures for example, Commodores would be somewhere near 3,800+ region.

I doubt very much that all Landcruisers combined would exceed 1,000 units for the same month.

Can somebody find those figures.

Dr Terry