Only one choice

[hqhzvans]

Well I know how you all feel about fords but in 30 years time our kids will open a container and drive a mint condition bf GT falcon which is completely original out....

My neighbours mate has a BA GT amongst other GTs and various other cars with a few thousands kilometres and also has all brand new FORD panels for the BA as well now that's dedication, shame he has no kids to leave all his toys too. Hope your kids really appreciate the car in 30 years time.

[Innuendo]

Inners what a boring old world if we all like the same cars each to there own i say

Yeah no worries Gene, you can have as many HSV Pulsars and Sunturds as you like. I'm not saying it's wrong to love what you love.
All I'm saying is I don't wish to be part of that lov'n!

[HK1837]

I think if Byron can convince the masses that Holden Special Vehicles aren't Holdens he should try selling ice to the Eskimos next, saying that half the original parts have been replaced shouldn't make a difference isn't that like saying to someone that has a fully modified EH with V8 etc that it is no longer a Holden EH if half of the original parts have been replaced?

Thats the thing with a fact, there is no convincing required! It is a simple fact.

[HK1837]

Sorry Byron but I can't swallow your reasoning at all. The cars came down the same production line and were sold through Holden dealerships and nowhere else.
They simply take a production model and tart it up. I have no issue with people calling a GTO a Monaro because essentially that is what it is. By your reckoning every Torana is a Vauxhall.

While I'm no fan of HSV "improved" Holdens (because I have never like the styling) they as much of a Holden as any other model.
I feel you are placing too much importance on a stick on label and missing the bigger picture.

I ain't missing any picture, that is how it is. They are meant to be seen as and are regarded as a different vehicle just like GMC and Chevrolet. Not all Holden dealers sell or service HSV either. By such reasoning a Pontiac GTO is a Holden, and many Pontiacs and Buicks are Chevrolets as there is probably as much in common between a late 60's, early 70's Pontiac Firebird and a Camaro as there is between a HSV GTS coupe and a Monaro. I doubt you'd find many people in the US outside of those with zero interest in cars that would call a Firebird a Camaro and vice versa. Ford Ranger and Mazda BT-50 are built in the same facility as well, and they also most likely have more in common than a HSV does with its base vehicle. Yes you can buy parts branded Holden or HSV that cross pollenate, but the same goes for Lexus, every part I have bought from Lexus for our RX350 (oil filter, air filter etc) all come in Toyota branded boxes.
In the end the manufacturer in this case Holden, in other cases GM, Toyota, Ford, Mazda market and intend for their vehicles be it a Calais or Clubsport or '70 Firbird or '72 Camaro or 2013 Ranger to be seen as the vehicle it is branded as. No-one sees a Kia as a Hyundai, same deal.

Is this a Holden?
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Is this a Toyota?
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They were both built side by side at GMH's Dandenong facility.

[hqhzvans]

Holden Special Vehicles is the officially designated performance vehicle partner of Australian automobile manufacturer Holden. Established in 1987 and based in Clayton, Victoria, the company modifies Holden models such as the Commodore, Caprice and Ute and markets them under the HSV brandname

HSV was created in 1987 as a joint venture between Holden and Tom Walkinshaw Racing – an operation owned by Scottish racing car driver and entrepreneur Tom Walkinshaw. HSV effectively replaced the Holden Dealer Team (HDT) special vehicles operation run by Peter Brock, after Holden severed its ties with HDT in February 1987 following the "Energy Polarizer" and "HDT Director" controversies. With the more recent demise of TWR's global companies, HSV still remains a partnership between Holden and Walkinshaw, the joint ownership company being Premoso Pty Ltd.

[Innuendo]

Is this a Holden?
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Is this a Toyota?
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They were both built side by side at GMH's Dandenong facility.

They are both Holden's. Sticking a different badge or even a compliance build tag doesn't change a thing.
I don't get confused with Ford stickers on Mazdas or Toyota badges on Holdens etc. They are what they are.

Happens outside of the auto industry also. Camera lenses are something I know. Samyang makes lenses and they get rebadge into dozens of names. But they are all Samyang's.

A Monaro badged as a Pontiac GTO is still a Holden Monaro with a nose change. It's just a little disguise for the US market and doesn't fool this Australian into believing it a Pontiac.
As much as if Holden were to place a Monaro badge on an imported Camaro wouldn't confuse a Yank into thinking it was a different car (actually it just might confuse some Yanks).

Badge sharing is one thing, actually forced and imposed by Australian government at one stage. Improving/modifying a production Holden doesn't make it a different make.

[Robbo]

'Holden" Special Vehicle's are holden's, no argument. They are serviced by Holden people, and they are sold by Holden salesman. Not all Holden dealer's sell them , but most do. If you need a body part, door's, guard's, bonnet etc, hey, you can order them at any Holden dealer in the country.

[davegmh]

'Holden" Special Vehicle's are holden's, no argument. They are serviced by Holden people, and they are sold by Holden salesman. Not all Holden dealer's sell them , but most do. If you need a body part, door's, guard's, bonnet etc, hey, you can order them at any Holden dealer in the country.

Exactly !!! I think some are confusing themselves with science. Remember, if it looks like a duck............

[Flamenco_not_Flamingo]

My one and only choice would change on a daily basis , lol

[HJRAY]

Each to their own I guess! Does it realy matter whats collectable in the future? In 30 years time?
I own a few cars that I love one of them a fe holden with 9 inch little hotty 202 and I love it! Pre seat belts and no radio!
My sons recon its a death trap and refuse to even get in it! No seatbelts or air bags they think im mad! They dont think its a classic!
I also own a magic hg 350 gts which they think is cool and argue who will get it in the will lol! But they also say its so primitive! Compared to my vf gts they are right, old 350 donk and power glide am radio no air con but does have power steer at least compared to full alloy blown and injected 6.2 6 speed with all the tricks the point is that in their eyes the new gts is a collectors car for the future! I wont be around to see the out come so I will enjoy then all now!