Only one choice

**HK1837** · 10-03-2014, 07:17 PM

The confusion comes around because the parent Company is called Holden. So people think everything created or sold under the banner of the parent company is a Holden. If the Company was called GM Australia Holdings or whatever would the HSV's be called "GM Holdings"? I doubt it. Today the Holden car is branded as a Holden nothing else, and they are in a partnership with another entity in a separate division called HSV. No real difference to the relationship between Toyota and Lexus except Lexus is the luxury division of Toyota whereas HSV is the performance division of Holden (the Company). So HSV's as far as I am aware are sold through a different network (although far closer than a Lexus), warranted differently, even counted differently sales wise. meaning no matter what anyone thinks a Monaro is a Holden, sold as a Holden Monaro. A GTO or a GTS is NOT a Monaro. Never will be. Exactly the same way a GTS will never be a Commodore. Just like a Ford Ranger will never be a Mazda BT-50. The cars branded as a Holden are what is meant when the words "a Holden" are used. The HSBV equivalent is "a HSV". I think the only HSV products ever to be branded or sold as a Holden are the first 2 x Group A's they built as they were built for Holden and not sold as a HSV, and also the Vauxhall Monaro which was a HSV product. I get people lump things together and call them by the most common or most recognisable brand, like sailboards became "Windsurfers". Doesn't make it correct or right or even logical.
The same applied when teh parent was GMH. The only thing sold by GMH that was a Holden was the Holden car, ie 48/215 to WB. The rest were Torana, Gemini, Statesman etc. GMH assembled and manufactured Chevrolet, Pontiac, Bedford, Isuzu etc. and they remained as Bedford, Isuzu, Chevrolet etc, they didn't suddenly become a "General Motors" or a "GM Holden".

**markagregory** · 10-03-2014, 07:34 PM

my choice, WB Caprice, series 2............. have 2 of them and love them.

**HK1837** · 10-03-2014, 07:50 PM

^^And won't be too many left eventually as they are still being raped for parts.

**markagregory** · 10-03-2014, 08:10 PM

i have collected alot of wb parts over the last 5 years, .... im toying with the idea of a wb magnum van styling with a hz windowless body i have been storing. like the famous ute! but a van. any thoughts ? i personally love the wb magnum blue ute.

**HK1837** · 10-03-2014, 08:39 PM

I'd build a ute as people at least might understand what the replica is. If you do a van they'll just think it is another modified HQ-HZ van from the 90's. To be honest you are better of doing the van as a HJ, X or Z Sandman replica. At least it'll be recognised and may even hold significantly more value if you go to sell it. I have been toying with the left-field opposite, ie finding a decent HZ or WB ute body and making a HQ Sandman ute replica out of it. The reason for the HZ or WB body is these are easier to find than HJ, they have the mounting points for retractables and have the better dash design than HQ. Plus WB buckets are more comfortable than HQ or HJ-HZ and fit properly in a WB (without floor mods) if I was to use one of those bodies.

**Cocko750** · 10-03-2014, 09:55 PM

I have two wb bodies one on its original chassis but cracked badly , the other on a hz chassis so must have been cracked bad also but it's been wrecked with a sunroof and the fuel has been 180'ed to the inside of tray ! But my other question to hk is my 06 ve ss has been built at the hsv factory as I wanted a sunroof , pedal change, stripes ,leather wheel and shifter in red and black( same as outside) it has the hsvi plate on it so what have I got if not a Holden ? You are the guru but I've got a bit of both .

**hainzy** · 10-03-2014, 11:14 PM

Hey Byron or Dr Terry and all other gurus what do you guys think about my VH SL/E top 30?? I know its a bit hard as its so rare really and its an unknown commodity.... But My Torana is almost on the road and i still have the HZ sandy, but ive also just scored a 1970 ford capri V6 Gt and another for spares. (yep crossed to the dark side) Cos the mrs has always wanted one...

So just askin as Im now running out of shed space and Im thinkin I should stop putting Ks on the VH so im thinking of getting a sensible daily and selling the commy. Not sure if I want to yet cos I do really love driving it as it goes like the clappers, but do you think its something that will become quite valuable down the track with Holden moving offshore? Its a bit of a rare beast so im in two minds. Could i live with myself if i sell the VH to do up a ford!

**Sandman** · 11-03-2014, 12:08 AM

V6 GT Capri would have to be getting pretty rare these days, nice score.

**Big Rob** · 12-03-2014, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by Sandman

V6 GT Capri would have to be getting pretty rare these days, nice score.

Yeah, but it's a FORD!!!!!!!!

Hainzy, we are currently arranging an intervention!

**hainzy** · 12-03-2014, 03:38 AM

haha. Fair enough!!
I never thought id buy a ford to do up, but the mrs was keen on one of these so I saw an opportunity to pounce and try to get her more into restoring cars. I will still retain the sandman and the torana though so itll be outnumbered in the shed!