Only one choice

[HK1837]

It could also be to reduce liabilty.
The large cars still remained as a straight Holden or Statesman when Commodore arrived. Commodore appears in initial documentation as "Holden Commodore" but the Holden stayed and Torana stayed as did Gemini. In many places the "Holden Sunbird" is also referred to. Never been able to fathom the reason for this, would love to see the internal memo as to why it was necessary to put Holden in front of Commodore and Sunbird but not Gemini and Torana. Maybe it was a simple matter of a change in direction first appearing where "Holden" was intended to change from a car line to a brand as they had to know by then that the upcoming WB was Holden commercials only?

[wbute]

Probably. Could have just been different crews of people writing the documents too.

[Dr Terry]

If HSV is not Holden. Then Corsa is not, HDT is not, Sydney Special Vehicles is not etc etc. They all attached their own build plates to cars sourced from Holden.

To most people an HSV is a Holden, but technically it is not. I can see both sides of the discussion. The government also considers them to be a separate entity/supplier.

HSV receive the vehicle in semi-finished condition & then complete the car & send it out to the dealers, the same way that they come from the GM-H factory. Warranty is covered by HSV. They are considered to be the manufacturer.

Corsa (CSV), HDT (post 87) WGR (Wayne Gardner) etc. modify the car after it is sold. The cars are sourced thru a dealer not from GM-H directly.

To my knowledge SSV & others like them, only supply & fit body kits etc. to 2nd hand cars.

In the case of imported Holdens, say a current Barina, they are built by GM-Korea & leave that factory to Holden's specs & wearing Holden badges. GM-Korea & GM-Holden are both subsidiaries of GM, so in reality it's the same company. A Holden Barina is a Holden, it's just not built here.

This is different to say a Holden Drover, which was a re-badge of a Suzuki Sierra, made by Suzuki in their factory, so not much of a Holden except for the badge.

Dr Terry

[Dr Terry]

Same with GMC (which I think is General Motors Company) trucks. These were at times sold alongside Pontiac vehicles at Pontiac dealers to give the Pontiac division of GMH a full range of vehicles to allow them to compete with Chevrolet. They were essentially an "upmarket" version of the same thing in the Chevrolet range, often how a Pontiac was seen except many GMC's were really just a Chev with "shinier" bits on it. So because both brands (GMC Trucks and (General Motors) Chevrolet) are a GM brand does the GMC automatically get seen as a Chevrolet? Or vice versa, the Chevy as a GMC? They are far closer together than a Holden and a HSV.

Just my take on it anyway.

GMC is the acronym for General Motors Coach, their bus truck division.

Dr Terry

[davegmh]

Looks like Holden made everything except saddles.

[pj350]

Nothing strange about facts. A HSV is less of a Holden than an Aussie Corolla is a Holden, or an Apollo is a Toyota or a Lexcen is a Toyota. Same base but not the same thing. If a HSV coupe was a Holden it'll be called a Monaro, simple. I bet you won't find too many HSV owners calling their cars a Commodore! The cars are the same base but they are as different as they are the same, there would be more than 50% different parts wise and probably cost wise too.

I saw a this car on the weekend how bout this... a ford fpv monaro hsv .......of course the hsv is a holden.

[HK1837]

Trouble is technically and legally it ain't.

[Dr Terry]

GMH only had one product line until the small car range was introduced. So really they had never actually given the large car range a name until Commodore came along. Much the same as Ford with the Model T.

There are many car companies like this. Most car manufacturers began by building just one model line & that's what they were known for. The USA pre-WWII, was a good example, a Ford was a Ford,a Chev was a Chev & a Dodge was a Dodge & so on. That all there was, there was no '2nd model line'.

Even in the 60s & 70s in Australia, if you said that you owned a Holden or a Ford it was naturally assumed that you were referring to your Kingswood or Falcon, not your Torana or your Cortina, unless you elaborated.

I think they first deviated from this with the Corvette & the Thunderbird, prior to that time there was only one Ford & one Chev. Often if they did want to release a 2nd model line, they usually created a new brand, e.g. Mercury, Edsel etc. By the time you got to the 60s & 70s each manufacturer had many car lines. Look at Chev:- Nova, Chevelle, Corvair, Camaro, Monte Carlo, Biscayne/Impala/Caprice etc. (full size), Pick-Ups, Suburban etc. etc.

Dr Terry

[HK1837]

GMC is the acronym for General Motors Coach, their bus truck division.

Dr Terry

I'm not certain that is the case Terry. It appears GM outright purchased Yellow Coach and created the GM Truck and Coach division in the 40's (they'd part owned Yellow since the 20's). But the GMC Truck name or marque had been around since 1912. According to a few sources on the 'web in any case.

[Innuendo]

GMC = General Motors Corporation

There is nothing more to it.