Historic rego

[Dr Terry]

It "is" club registration if you have to be a member of a club. I have no interest in clubs for reasons I have mentioned. There is always some smartarse who wants an argument just to show their self importance.
Historic or limited use registration should be done by the RMS/RTA. Sure they can sub it to clubs if that's what it take to keep the costs down but you shouldn't ever be forced to become a member of a car club to gain this type of registration. The club could simply charge the inspection fee.

If what I mention should never be eligible for Historic registration then this system has major problems and it would exclude a vast majority of the very same club members who offer the Historic registration scheme.
What about an EJ Holden that was sold new with a 149 red motor?

Why does a car with Historic registration even need to have special "H" plates? What purpose does it serve?

While you feel it a good scheme and it suits you, it certainly doesn't suit me or plenty of others. At this stage I prefer to pay for full registration (begrudgingly) so I don't need to deal with clubs, restrictions and keep well away from the ugly plates.

I know Majestic Vanners are offering this style of registration in many states. I highly doubt these period customised Vans are ever going to fall under the guidelines as you describe.

Too many questions in one post. But I will try.

You've obviously had bad experiences with clubs & I can't answer for that.

If you want the system run by the RTA/RMS you will pay & pay heavily, look at the cost of a simple number plate transfer.

The reason the clubs run it, is because they are the only ones to get of their backsides & originally got the system going. It was begun over 65 years ago apparently.

I can't understand why you can't see why modified cars don't fit into the current historic rules. As I said if you don't like the rules get together & do something about them. Oh, I forgot you don't politics or groups.

Historic concessional cars have always had unique plates, my guess is that they stand out for the coppers, but I really don't know.

Australia is/was a free country, if you don't like the scheme or the look of the plates, that fine, don't use them. For me it's about the $$$ & ease of use.

The mythical 149 EJ is just that, a myth. Do you have any concrete proof that any ever came off the production line ? Pre-production prototypes are very different & would be very easy to verify, & if one did exist, I would be proud to have the owner of one as a member of our club. I'm currently writing an article on just this topic. I might put a draft up on this site in the near future. A bit like the Canadian engine block, these myths have grown over time. Do we have a separate section for Holden myths, or do I just post it here.

Dr Terry

[Innuendo]

The mythical 149 EJ is just that, a myth. Do you have any concrete proof that any ever came off the production line ?

Nope, I believe it was dealer done to clear remaining stock.

[Dr Terry]

Nope, I believe it was dealer done to clear remaining stock.

Well that makes it a modified car. A bit like a dealer-fitted V8 in an LJ Torana, Most of the conversion is bolt in, but what about the gearbox rear crossmember, if you're using the EH gearbox. That would need engineering approval. There are guys over on oldholden (I know, I know), who believe that they are a real production thing. Dr Terry

[Dick61]

Well that makes it a modified car. A bit like a dealer-fitted V8 in an LJ Torana, Most of the conversion is bolt in, but what about the gearbox rear crossmember, if you're using the EH gearbox. That would need engineering approval. There are guys over on oldholden (I know, I know), who believe that they are a real production thing. Dr Terry

There are a lot of myths perpetuated by bogans about Holdens or for any make of car for that matter. Sometimes the cause can be as innocent as a typo or error that is not picked up by the proof reader of a book on the subject. One such point in case, is the error on page 33 of your own book Dr Terry. I have had EH's and EJ's, and all of the EJ's had red engines in them. Today you would need an engineers certificate to register them but in the 70's and 80's an early Holden with a red in it was very common. Twin carbs on an early Holden grey engine were quite common in the 60's and there were a lot of companies that produced manifolds. I would like to have an FB ute like my Grandfather's and have it decked out with twin carbs, alloy rocker cover, and floor shift, all of these would be Lanspeed products which were produced by my Father in the early 60's. You would very hard pressed to convince me that these are "modifications" and not "accessories". Twin carbs and extractors on a grey produce more of a visual and aural effect than a performance one.

[Dr Terry]

There are a lot of myths perpetuated by bogans about Holdens or for any make of car for that matter. Sometimes the cause can be as innocent as a typo or error that is not picked up by the proof reader of a book on the subject. One such point in case, is the error on page 33 of your own book Dr Terry. I have had EH's and EJ's, and all of the EJ's had red engines in them. Today you would need an engineers certificate to register them but in the 70's and 80's an early Holden with a red in it was very common. Twin carbs on an early Holden grey engine were quite common in the 60's and there were a lot of companies that produced manifolds. I would like to have an FB ute like my Grandfather's and have it decked out with twin carbs, alloy rocker cover, and floor shift, all of these would be Lanspeed products which were produced by my Father in the early 60's. You would very hard pressed to convince me that these are "modifications" and not "accessories". Twin carbs and extractors on a grey produce more of a visual and aural effect than a performance one.

Yes, as I said when does an accessory become a modification ? That debate could go on forever.

Multiple carburettors are a bit like the wide alloys & dumped suspension I referred to in an earlier post. They were very common in the day & were also technically illegal in the day. I have been the proud recipient of more than one canary in my time.

There are rules on carbies & there are rules on wheels & suspension. Most of these rules have been around essentially unchanged, since the late 60s (some probably earlier). If something is illegal today, it was most likely illegal back then too. Just because something was commonplace doesn't make legal.

BTW, I have a list of typos & errors in my book, but nothing on page 33. You are talking about the 60 Years of Holden book, aren't you ? On that subject I am always interested to hear of errors or omissions in my book. If you know of any more please pass them on.

Dr Terry.