Historic rego

[Dr Terry]

I just wonder about being tied to a club and their interpretations. Cheap rego for an old car rarely driven is what I want. Not really interested in the club part.

I know some people have issues with clubs, but usually it's not the club. It's often just one or 2 'pinheads' within the club causing unnecessary angst, when all we want, is to enjoy our cars.

I'm currently a member of several car clubs & a also few others in the past. Most have been good & I especially enjoy the social aspect of meeting up with like-minded car guys. It all helps make the world a better place.

Just find a club that suits, there are plenty out there.

Dr Terry

[Innuendo]

Personally I don't like "club registration" because I don't really like to get into club politics.
I also despise the ugly historic number plates. But putting that aside. What if you were to have say a FC Holden 100% stock to look at yet if legally fitted with a 186 Red motor with triple down draft strombergs and extractors that was approved with an engineers report. Would that qualify? If that does, what then of the same car with widened steel wheels and low back bucket seats that have also been approved and are part of the engineers report?

[Taily]

Personally I don't like "club registration" because I don't really like to get into club politics.
I also despise the ugly historic number plates. But putting that aside. What if you were to have say a FC Holden 100% stock to look at yet if legally fitted with a 186 Red motor with triple down draft strombergs and extractors that was approved with an engineers report. Would that qualify? If that does, what then of the same car with widened steel wheels and low back bucket seats that have also been approved and are part of the engineers report?

That (to me) is the best case I've seen put together for a new type of "limited use" registration. To me "Historic" registration should be for what it really was designed for - that is a relatively period correct standard vehicle. My HJ ute when finished will fit straight into "H" rego as it will be a standard vehicle re-furb (standard interior, standard external looking paint - albeit in two pack but will look like an acryllic job, standard N66 wheels/redwalls etc. However the moment I pull the standard 308 out, slip her under the bench for a standard rebuild and the put the cranky injected stroker/2800 rev stally in, then to me the ute loses its historic significance and becomes more aligned with the street machine type of limited usage even though there is no external change to the exterior of the vehicle. Well, apart from the custom exhaust I would have to get made...

What we would have to achieve is to get a unified front and criteria for just what constitutes "Limited Use" and what happens when this usage criteria is exceeded?

[Dr Terry]

Personally I don't like "club registration" because I don't really like to get into club politics.
I also despise the ugly historic number plates. But putting that aside. What if you were to have say a FC Holden 100% stock to look at yet if legally fitted with a 186 Red motor with triple down draft strombergs and extractors that was approved with an engineers report. Would that qualify? If that does, what then of the same car with widened steel wheels and low back bucket seats that have also been approved and are part of the engineers report?

It's not 'club registration' it's historic concessional registration & you don't need to get into club politics, you just talk to the club person concerned, usually the registrar. These guys aren't aliens, mostly they're car guys like you & me. As I said, if the particular club that you've contacted doesn't suit you, find one that does. There is good, bad & mediocre in everything & car clubs are no exceptions.

None of what you describe is eligible for historic rego, which is why a type of modified car limited-use concessional scheme has been mooted. However I think we are a while away from that, given what I mentioned above.

I agree that the number plates are not the best looking around, but they are a compromise. When they were first designed, the Corvette guys & others wanted a smaller plate & a committee (you know how 'committees' are !!) came up with this design.

For $60 per year for rego, instead of $1,000+ (Sydney prices) I don't give a flying how fugly the number plates are. I've got 8 cars on H plates so I'm saving heaps of $$$.

Dr Terry

[Dr Terry]

What we would have to achieve is to get a unified front and criteria for just what constitutes "Limited Use" and what happens when this usage criteria is exceeded?

The ACMC (Australian Confederation of Motoring Clubs) was formed 2 or 3 years ago & this was/is one of its platforms, but like anything you have to start somewhere. Google ACMC & get involved.

As I mentioned above, one of the biggest issues is the inconsistency in engineering certification & as you know this has all been going thru some changes lately. This has to be sorted first before you can initiate any type of modified concessional scheme, otherwise it becomes 'open slather' & we'll have dumped racecars with blowers 3 feet out of the bonnet on the street. Policing or regulating it is the biggest hurdle which why the RTA, hand-balled the historic scheme to the car club movement.

When criteria is exceeded in any rego system you car is deemed to be unregistered ($1200+ fine, ouch).

Dr Terry

[Innuendo]

It "is" club registration if you have to be a member of a club. I have no interest in clubs for reasons I have mentioned. There is always some smartarse who wants an argument just to show their self importance.
Historic or limited use registration should be done by the RMS/RTA. Sure they can sub it to clubs if that's what it take to keep the costs down but you shouldn't ever be forced to become a member of a car club to gain this type of registration. The club could simply charge the inspection fee.

If what I mention should never be eligible for Historic registration then this system has major problems and it would exclude a vast majority of the very same club members who offer the Historic registration scheme.
What about an EJ Holden that was sold new with a 149 red motor?

Why does a car with Historic registration even need to have special "H" plates? What purpose does it serve?

While you feel it a good scheme and it suits you, it certainly doesn't suit me or plenty of others. At this stage I prefer to pay for full registration (begrudgingly) so I don't need to deal with clubs, restrictions and keep well away from the ugly plates.

I know Majestic Vanners are offering this style of registration in many states. I highly doubt these period customised Vans are ever going to fall under the guidelines as you describe.

[wbute]

Pretty simple really. If it passed rego check it's all good. If it does limited k's and is over 30 years old it gets cheap rego. This will get a lot of classic cars out of sheds and in turn stimulate small business' such as dyno tuners and mechanics. It will have no effect on late model car sales as no one can afford to run these older cars as daily drivers anyway.
Now with historic rego, how much does the green slip cost?
As far as I can see clubs and rego need to have no connection whatsoever.
I think perhaps clubs like the special number plates. They have no point really.

[Innuendo]

Pretty simple really. If it passed rego check it's all good. If it does limited k's and is over 30 years old it gets cheap rego.

Yep it's that simple. It like everything though will be open to rorting .

[Dr Terry]

It "is" club registration if you have to be a member of a club. I have no interest in clubs for reasons I have mentioned. There is always some smartarse who wants an argument just to show their self importance.
Historic or limited use registration should be done by the RMS/RTA. Sure they can sub it to clubs if that's what it take to keep the costs down but you shouldn't ever be forced to become a member of a car club to gain this type of registration. The club could simply charge the inspection fee.

If what I mention should never be eligible for Historic registration then this system has major problems and it would exclude a vast majority of the very same club members who offer the Historic registration scheme.
What about an EJ Holden that was sold new with a 149 red motor?

Why does a car with Historic registration even need to have special "H" plates? What purpose does it serve?

While you feel it a good scheme and it suits you, it certainly doesn't suit me or plenty of others. At this stage I prefer to pay for full registration (begrudgingly) so I don't need to deal with clubs, restrictions and keep well away from the ugly plates.

I know Majestic Vanners are offering this style of registration in many states. I highly doubt these period customised Vans are ever going to fall under the guidelines as you describe.

Too many questions in one post. But I will try.

You've obviously had bad experiences with clubs & I can't answer for that.

If you want the system run by the RTA/RMS you will pay & pay heavily, look at the cost of a simple number plate transfer.

The reason the clubs run it, is because they are the only ones to get of their backsides & originally got the system going. It was begun over 65 years ago apparently.

I can't understand why you can't see why modified cars don't fit into the current historic rules. As I said if you don't like the rules get together & do something about them. Oh, I forgot you don't politics or groups.

Historic concessional cars have always had unique plates, my guess is that they stand out for the coppers, but I really don't know.

Australia is/was a free country, if you don't like the scheme or the look of the plates, that fine, don't use them. For me it's about the $$$ & ease of use.

The mythical 149 EJ is just that, a myth. Do you have any concrete proof that any ever came off the production line ? Pre-production prototypes are very different & would be very easy to verify, & if one did exist, I would be proud to have the owner of one as a member of our club. I'm currently writing an article on just this topic. I might put a draft up on this site in the near future. A bit like the Canadian engine block, these myths have grown over time. Do we have a separate section for Holden myths, or do I just post it here.

Dr Terry

[Dr Terry]

Now with historic rego, how much does the green slip cost?

Green slip is included in the $60 per year.

As far as I can see clubs and rego need to have no connection whatsoever.
I think perhaps clubs like the special number plates. They have no point really.

For answers to these 2 queries, see my post above. I think there are many club members who don't like the look of the plates, but they are what we have.

Dr Terry