Sundowner

[mauser]

Value? I don't care about the value. It's an old car. I like the idea of a 5 litre factory WB ute.
Sandmans actually have no value at all when you take the restoration cost into account. No old car does. Unless you find a good survivor in a shed that does not need any work. You might sell one for 35k but you spent 35k plus 90k of your own labour on it.
A cars only value is in your own desire to own it.

If there was a large sum of money to be made doing up old cars and selling them to a hot market then there would be restoration businesses everywhere. I don't think the idea of any hobby is really to make money... some may be lucky to break even. Ask any fisherman... ever been game fishing out the shelf?

Mauser

[HK1837]

Why did they change L32 to L36?

I can only assume because of the radically different engine to the red L32/L33 as they had a 4BBL valley and carby. I assume L35 was for the low comp 4.2 if it was used for export at all in WB. Also assuming L34 was used for the low compression 308 in Bedford and hence why L35 was used first for the low comp 4.2L engine in Bedford as both of these existed prior to VC or WB.
3.3HC changed to L14 as well, not sure why the 3.3LC stayed as L23 or why the 2.85HC stayed as LD1 but the 2.85LC changed from L21 to LD2.

[Valencia]

Whats an L 15 then Byron

[HK1837]

Whats an L 15 then Byron

Not a code i'm familiar with. LL9 is the EFI 3.3, L18 is the Starfire, L16 is the BBO engine in LH-UC and then I think later the Camira engine. L13 is I think the 1300HC engine in a TA and the 1600 in a Gemini.

[wbute]

If there was a large sum of money to be made doing up old cars and selling them to a hot market then there would be restoration businesses everywhere. I don't think the idea of any hobby is really to make money... some may be lucky to break even. Ask any fisherman... ever been game fishing out the shelf?

Mauser

Yes I clearly see the point of cars as a passion/hobby. That's why I would prefer a factory 5 litre WB to a Sandman. Why did I race at Finke? Not to win that's for sure. Why do I hang on to my WB. Because I have heard the story a thousand times, I had a car years ago,wish I kept it. Luckily I have kept mine. Not because I think it will be worth money one day, because its good and I will never need to restore it. Because I like it.
The stupid thing is though, false values start to effect what cars survive. HX Sandman for example. No different in any real way to a HJ or HZ. Media hype from 30 years ago and people still cling to what was said then. Come on, less power??? Who would rebuild a motor to factory specs today or ever really? So it's declared they are worth 5 to 8k less than a HZ. RTS? That goes out the window as soon as the HZ is lowered or you fit bigger tyres.

[HK1837]

Yes I clearly see the point of cars as a passion/hobby. That's why I would prefer a factory 5 litre WB to a Sandman. Why did I race at Finke? Not to win that's for sure. Why do I hang on to my WB. Because I have heard the story a thousand times, I had a car years ago,wish I kept it. Luckily I have kept mine. Not because I think it will be worth money one day, because its good and I will never need to restore it. Because I like it.
The stupid thing is though, false values start to effect what cars survive. HX Sandman for example. No different in any real way to a HJ or HZ. Media hype from 30 years ago and people still cling to what was said then. Come on, less power??? Who would rebuild a motor to factory specs today or ever really? So it's declared they are worth 5 to 8k less than a HZ. RTS? That goes out the window as soon as the HZ is lowered or you fit bigger tyres.

All good points, and I agree with most of it. I saw a beautiful HZ Kingswood ute at the Tocal field day I think last year. Blue with blue trim (not my favourite but beggars can't be choosers!), just about every option you could think of. I'd rather it than a HZ Sandman too.

[Calum]

thank you all for your help with my 'silly' question on the change of codes into the blue engines

[Alien DNA]

Ask any fisherman... ever been game fishing out the shelf?

Mauser

How amazing is this fish......the dollar value of this monster would be over $500K surely. The Japanese pay premium prices for tuna. I think this is an Atlantic Tuna...not sure.

Not a bad days work

[Dr Terry]

I can only assume because of the radically different engine to the red L32/L33 as they had a 4BBL valley and carby. I assume L35 was for the low comp 4.2 if it was used for export at all in WB. Also assuming L34 was used for the low compression 308 in Bedford and hence why L35 was used first for the low comp 4.2L engine in Bedford as both of these existed prior to VC or WB.
3.3HC changed to L14 as well, not sure why the 3.3LC stayed as L23 or why the 2.85HC stayed as LD1 but the 2.85LC changed from L21 to LD2.

There are many inconsistencies in Holden's engine option numbers, but the ones that I remember are the Red 253 in a VB Commodore is L36, but the same motor in an HZ was L32. The Red 202 was L20 in HQ/J/X/Z but L14 in VB . So the number didn't change at Blue motor intro.

Another one is the V6 in Commodores, VN to VS was LG2, but VT to VY had it as LN3. You would have thought that the number would have changed for the VS Ecotec.

Also the 2850 Lo-Comp was LD2 in Toranas but L21 in the HQ/J/X/Z.

Dr Terry

[HK1837]

Very wierd Terry, never knew that VB 4.2 was L36 but there it is in the VB parts catalogue. The other odd one that stands out is M41 for TH350 in VB and HZ.