Sandman Values ?

**Vombil** · 16-10-2014, 12:34 AM

check this, been on the market now for approx 3 months.bloke can't sell it. you'd spend $15,000 min on just the paint job but no one wants it at $18,500. i had a chat to the previous owner ( this was ex vicco about 18 months ago) who claims the body had very little rust to begin with. one small window fill-in on the passenger side rear. my mate checked it out but at the time it had mech gremlins

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/d.../?Cr=1&sdmvc=1

The HJ/HQ green windowless ex show 'sandman' with one piece tailgate advertised for sale in WA recently for $40,000 > FYI it sold for $24,000! the new owner plans to have it painted and has been quoted $10,000- $15,000 just to scuff and paint! no prep or body work required.

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Originally Posted by wbute

They have another 10 to 15 years and then they will drop in value rapidly. Look at EH Holdens dropping in value these days.
I can't see how restoration cost has any bearing on the value. Demand and supply are the only determining factors on value. It costs the same to restore a HX Kingswood sedan as a HX Sandman. The value of the car is not the same though.
If you are selling them for 50k plus that's great. It's great they are returning the restoration costs.

here here. nicely said

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Originally Posted by Frosty

I agree completely with davegmh. Why talk them down over and over? I see Toranas go for very big money that were just options( think I'm in trouble now). And why does the 253 get such a massive rubbishing when it's still fun to drive and makes all the right noises? Many people come to this site because they think they are cool cars and might want one. Shame on you rubbishers. Why can't a Sandman be worth as much as other classic Holdens?

i dont like the rubbishing of 253's but it seems to be nation wide. so much so that i reckon some people would only pay 6cyl version equivalent money for a 253(obviously not in the case of a sandman). you try sell a 253 (thong clapper!). in the end i had to use it because no one wanted it... hear running for $500 complete. I had more interest in a 202!!!!!!!

**HK1837** · 16-10-2014, 09:05 AM

I think it is great some Sandmans are bringing well over $40k, but like all other cars I bet there is always a small sample of really good cars that sell for good money, the rest not so. My main criticism isn't the price of really good cars, it is the sh!tters needing full resto that people ask too much for. I will always remind people that $10-15k for a car needing full resto is silly when you can buy a tidy car with reasonable paint ready to drive for $25k. Time may prove me wrong and Sandmans keep going up, but I look back to $220000 HK GTS327's and $500000+ GTHO's. The same/similar cars can be had today for often less than half those figures. I remember a beautiful Monterey Green 308 HQ Kingswood XX7 ute at the auctions at the same time those big prices were being pulled, it sold for $14k. It would pull twice that today. So I reckon Sandmans have already had their big jump, they might stay there but in the end I really do believe only the premium cars will sustain the peak values or close to them. The good news is even at $50k it isn't a huge deal if your car drops in value by 50%, compared to a $600000 GTHO!

The bias against the smaller engines is across all cars, just look at the real selling prices of base engine HK-HZ GTS's (186S and 253) against the same condition 307/308/350ci cars. You can at least double the value between bottom to top (say 253 to 350 in HQ) or maybe 25-30% premium for 253-308. The biggest engined cars will always be those most sought after. On the positive side, 6cyl and 253 Sandmans shouldn't suffer as much as a 308 example for not having their original engine. My view is say a HJ Kingswood XX7 original 202 fully restored as a 308 would probably be worth possibly the same or more than if it was restored with its original 202 driveline. You see this in Monaros, modified original 6cyl HK's with V8 drivelines can pull $70k+ but as a 6cyl car as per original not many will see over $60k, if they do they are pretty special cars.

Flamenco_not_Flamingo · 16-10-2014, 10:48 AM

It's great that prices keep climbing, I personally have had good fortune over these last 18 months buying and selling sandmans BUT some people are completely unrealistic and emotionally attached to cars placing those heart strings where price should be.

I personally can't tell you the amount of times I have turned up to look at a car and the first statement is" My mates tell me it's worth $x and that I'm selling it too cheap"

I am sure I am not the only one and I guess we don't want to hurt our friends feelings but I always feel emotions rule most people that's what I have gleaned in my experience in buying and selling.

Having said all that,who doesn't like money lol

Flamenco_not_Flamingo · 16-10-2014, 12:51 PM

I'm probably a tight arse Lmfao

**davegmh** · 16-10-2014, 01:59 PM

Some very interesting views put forward. But let me ask one more question.
Do you think comments made on this site whether they be complimentary or critical of a Sandman for sale, have any effect on the final sale price ? I would think that because a lot of people seem to come here asking questions about a particular car or buying a car that the answer would be 'sometimes'.

**wbute** · 16-10-2014, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by davegmh

Some very interesting views put forward. But let me ask one more question.
Do you think comments made on this site whether they be complimentary or critical of a Sandman for sale, have any effect on the final sale price ? I would think that because a lot of people seem to come here asking questions about a particular car or buying a car that the answer would be 'sometimes'.

Yes. As can be seen more so now as the information from this site becomes more commonly known. As can be seen by some heated discussion on here regarding comments made about a car it can also not help with a sale.
I took photos of a van about 3 years ago for someone in Brisbane. I specifically didn't want them put up here as I had no right in influencing someone else's business. We are all guilty of putting comments up about cars for sale without really considering possible implications. Welcome to the world of social media. For better or for worse.

**davegmh** · 16-10-2014, 02:56 PM

Now I think my point is understood and you could be right on the money there WB.

**HK1837** · 16-10-2014, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by davegmh

Some very interesting views put forward. But let me ask one more question.
Do you think comments made on this site whether they be complimentary or critical of a Sandman for sale, have any effect on the final sale price ? I would think that because a lot of people seem to come here asking questions about a particular car or buying a car that the answer would be 'sometimes'.

Maybe. In the end it is all subjective, and if a potential buyer sees people not like a certain aspect of a car then they are only further armed with info they need to consider should they choose to sell it.
In the end if a car is priced right it'll sell. I sold my V2 CV8 a few weeks ago via this site, it was priced right. If i'd said I wanted $10k more than I asked i'd have expected criticism.