I agree completely with davegmh. Why talk them down over and over? I see Toranas go for very big money that were just options( think I'm in trouble now). And why does the 253 get such a massive rubbishing when it's still fun to drive and makes all the right noises? Many people come to this site because they think they are cool cars and might want one. Shame on you rubbishers. Why can't a Sandman be worth as much as other classic Holdens?