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    Quote Originally Posted by wbute View Post
    Oh you miss the point. Holden never gave them a code and that is what is important. It is the only thing that people have that is black and white to identify vehicles. A shipping container of paperwork that no one has access to indicating what GMH intended has no use to anyone. They never gave Sandman any unique model codes.
    The few unique trim codes and option combinations are how a Sandman is seperates from other Holden commercials. Yet ther are Sandmans that are identical to standard commercials and will never be proven.
    They are not a seperate model and that is the black and white reality. All they had to do make then a model was change one letter on the tags. Mor N to another letter. They didn't.
    I'm not missing any points James. You forget how long I've been working on these things. You are totally missing the point and off the mark wrt how not just GMH but GM built and marketed the vehicles and what the numbering systems mean. Again, NO-ONE other than yourself seems to be hung up on model codes. It is an outright fact that it was totally normal for GM and GMH to build vehicles as option packages on a base model code, it was the exception in GMH that a sports/performance type variant vehicle got a model code unique to itself - and those exceptions are a HK GTS327, a HQ GTS350 and a second type Brabham Torana. All the rest of them share coding with a significantly different vehicle and the variants are created using special vehicle package coding in most cases, others like HT-HG GTS350 manual and auto are very different vehicles to each other but share model coding.

    Edit - I thought I should add that the HK-HJ plus HZ GTS also use a unique model coding - but they are not a sports/performance variant of a lesser vehicle, they are a base vehicle like a Belmont, Kingswood or Premier. Their next level performance vehicle in HK-HG was not an option pack on them - it was given its own model code ie 1837. However in HJ and HZ the GTS was the performance variant I guess by default as GMH dropped the premium performance vehicle by then. What is not known is if the 400ci engine hadn't been dropped for HJ whether the HJ GTS with 400ci engine would have been just an engine option on the GTS (like the 350 was on LS in HQ) or if it'd have been a separate model like 1837 was in HK-HQ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wbute View Post
    So you use the unique Sandman model code to identify Sandmans?
    No you don't unless it is Acacia Ridge BAP vehicle, nor do you do it for HQ GTS sedan, HQ GTS350 sedan, XU1, L34 or A9X - you have to look to other areas of the vehicle and/or ID plates.
    Last edited by HK1837; 01-12-2014 at 06:57 AM.

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