Is this a sandman

[wbute]

Factory air wouldn't effect the weight that much though. You are only adding a compressor, hoses, condenser. The heater box would be marginally heavier than the standard one.
Could it be a typo on the plate. Brisbane did do a few of those.

[Vombil]

Factory air wouldn't effect the weight that much though. You are only adding a compressor, hoses, condenser. The heater box would be marginally heavier than the standard one.
Could it be a typo on the plate. Brisbane did do a few of those.

i had complete a/c system in a box and I could barely lift it. the evap unit and compressors are pretty stocky

[wbute]

If you work it out the tyres on an XX7 were only rated to carry 415kg. They reduced it from a standard V8 ute by 386kg.
If you look in the owners manual the max loaded weight for all vans and utes were the same. 2155kg(plus 91kg to add a v8).
So why did it change for a Sandman ute to a van? Suddenly the max loaded weight (which I assume is the GVW on the plate)changed between ute and van. They had the same lower rated tyres. However that's all that changed from a standard van or ute. So why the different GVW between Sandman ute and van? Unless of course the HX owners manual I have is wrong which is possible.

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i had complete a/c system in a box and I could barely lift it. the evap unit and compressors are pretty stocky

110kg and you would need a fork lift. That's what a whole Husaberg FE450 weighs. You are substituting some parts too. The fan, controls in dash, removing a vent all together etc.

[Vombil]

probably more like my short arms had trouble getting around the thing. it was a big box Ok!

[Sandaro]

Gross weight of vehicle, so I'm assuming that to have a ute and van with same carrying capacity (with same motor and fittings) van is going to be heavier gross because of the extra roof

[wbute]

Yeah agree Sandaro but they are all listed the same weight in the owners manual. It can't be correct. If adding AC changes it surly adding a roof has to change it more?
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[seavan]

Could be as simple as another production line stuff up by stamping van weight rather than ute weight could it not!?

[HK1837]

Yeah agree Sandaro but they are all listed the same weight in the owners manual. It can't be correct. If adding AC changes it surly adding a roof has to change it more?
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Owners manual is correct for the weights, they are 6cyl GVW (2155kg). The V8 add 91kg is wrong I think.

Ute can carry 15.5cwt (775kg), take that off 2155 and you get the kerb weight 1380kg (close enough to 1354kg).
Van can carry 14.5cwt (725kg), taken off 2155 gives you a kerb weight of 1430kg (close enough to 1414kg).

Basically the difference is a van weighs more.

I don't have detailed HX weights but here is HZ to provide example comparison (Tare is Curb less fuel +2 galls (basically 9 litres)). Vehicles are standard, so for example 6cyl will be 202 3spd. V8 will be 253 3spd. Sandman will be 253 4spd.
Tare is delivery weight, ie the weight used for registration. Some of them don't seem to work when you start doing sums but that is how they are published.

HZ Holden van, Tare = 1386kg, Curb = 1429kg.
HZ Holden van V8, Tare = 1456kg, Curb = 1501kg.
HZ Holden Sandman van, Tare = 1499kg, Curb = 1544kg.
HZ Holden Sandman XX7 van, Tare = 1496kg, Curb = 1541kg.

HZ Holden ute, Tare = 1321kg, Curb = 1356kg.
HZ Holden ute V8, Tare = 1393kg, Curb = 1438kg.
HZ Holden Sandman ute, Tare = 1436kg, Curb = 1481kg.
HZ Holden Sandman XX7 ute, Tare = 1433kg, Curb = 1478kg.

Rear axle max weight for a 1950kg GVW van is 1116kg, so they rate the tyres as good for half that which is 558kg. 1900kg GVW max rear axle load is 1089kg which means each tyre is good for 544.5kg.

I don't have the actual load rating of ER70H14 tyres but they must have been good for the weight of the rear axle of a HZ Sandman van with 10cwt (500kg) load on board. The whole point of the passenger tyre was to give the commercials (ute and van) a max load capacity of 500kg. Modern versions which are 205/70/14 are 95 load rated which is 690kg. 215/65/14 is close also and are 670kg.

A/C adds 41kg in HZ for both 6cyl and V8, HX will be all but the same. But the HX list the same tyre placard for HX 10cwt V8 ute (XU4 or XX7) with A/C as the same placard as a HX 10cwt V8 van (non-A/C 10cwt ute has a different placard). If the 1950kg GVW instead of 1860kg is not a mistake it has to be due to A/C. BUT, I got it looked up and this car wasn't fitted with integrated A/C.

acmd, can you get me photos of the plates?

[wbute]

Was it possible they optioned one tonner springs and increased the GCM that way? It lifted the GCM on a one tonner to 2600 and that is the difference I assume between one tonners and utes or is that increased through heavier duty tyres?

[acmd]

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I hope this works hk it's the first time I've tried plus it's through my phone

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The red used to be one of the colours of this ute I've found out while rubbing back