That's very interesting James. I have only had traction control in one car I have owned..(vy ss)..and that was only used on sealed road's. I found it useful when pulling out into traffic on wet road's and roundabout's, plenty of those around here.I have heard in the past that it is next to useless on 4wd's on dirt, and how you have explained it, I now understand. As you say, I to feel sorry for the people learning today with a "safe" car, as they have all the latest mod con's fitted, and need less and less driver input to keep the car pointed in the right direction.

Cheers.