Fraudulent paperwork anyone?

[Flamenco_not_Flamingo]

I have a new old stock 11/79 one. Along with the VB owners manual to go with it. I did wonder about putting it up for sale on ebay.... not sure if I want to now...

I'm sure you'll be right mate,lol, don't think gmh is going to come knocking your door down with a SWAT team.

[wbute]

There were brand new WB owners manuals for sale at swap meets 7 or 8 years ago. Along with Force 7V ones which was interesting considering they never really made it to production.
This stuff has been around for years. No guarantees that all is original that you see anyway.

[HK1837]

I have about a dozen of those Force7 books somewhere!

[HK1837]

I agree with you Dave that to use one of these to somehow make a car look more valuable for sale would be fraud. But to fill one out with the details of your car if you know it isn't fraud. If I could find the correct blank one for my HJ Premier i'd fill it out as I know every detail for it (sale date, selling dealer, name and address of buyer and the rego number). I'd be writing on the bottom that the document was a reproduction though.

[SLR_dave]

I agree with you Dave that to use one of these to somehow make a car look more valuable for sale would be fraud. But to fill one out with the details of your car if you know it isn't fraud. If I could find the correct blank one for my HJ Premier i'd fill it out as I know every detail for it (sale date, selling dealer, name and address of buyer and the rego number). I'd be writing on the bottom that the document was a reproduction though.

I agree with your sentiment Byron. Writing on the bottom or top (or preferably across the middle) would, probably I think, (advisable to use a stamp and a date and check with a lawyer first) get a person using one of these around being accused of falsifying a document in some cases (but not necessarily all). I cant advise this, for anyone thinking of this, off their own back, I would say check your actions with a lawyer first! Falsifying documents, is not a cool thing, even by accident, as the last sentence of Byrons post clearly recognises.

However, more effectively, it may be possible, with a heap of time and effort, and probably money, that if a vehicle has so much of a traceable paper (and other) record that it is clear that the recreation of the document is absolutely accurate, and unquestionably belonged to that vehicle, to get a reproduced document certified by either, the RTA in your state, a dealer, or a legal firm, or perhaps, even, Holdens - in which case it would become a legitimate document, which is a much cooler thing to have. (Probably would still have some sort of stamp on it though), but that just becomes part of the vehicles official history anyway. I do belive that this may in some cases be possible, but I imagine its work that would consume several years of effort and effective communication. Even then placing replicated signatures on it is of course not likely to be possible, unless one is able to find the person who signed the original and agrees to signing the recreated and affirmed document. Perhaps you can!

However were it me, I'd be leaving those spaces blank if I was considering any attempt on this sort of historical document replication.

[Innuendo]

Yeah well if that does your head in Dave, get a load of this offering from Rare Spares no less.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HK-HOLDEN...-/400828314416

hk_repro_service_manual.jpg

You "could" fake up a whole service history.

As for Guns, ISIS and your reply novel? Simply old Holden literature/ephemera and seriously not worth getting all excited about!

[SLR_dave]

Yeah well if that does your head in Dave, get a load of this offering from Rare Spares no less.

Politely, um no, its a different document, it doesnt designate the origin of the vehicle. In any case it would be pretty difficult to fill in every service record with original dealer stamps and stapled receipts. But more than that, I got a sneaking suspicion itwill be printed somewhere in there that the booklet is a replica. Perhaps, if I'm wrong, Rares may soon correct this.

[Innuendo]

Politely, um no, its a different document, it doesnt designate the origin of the vehicle. In any case it would be pretty difficult to fill in every service record with original dealer stamps and stapled receipts. But more than that, I got a sneaking suspicion itwill be printed somewhere in there that the booklet is a replica. Perhaps, if I'm wrong, Rares may soon correct this.

Of course it does, dealers fill in the very first page with all the same details and receipts were rarely ever added to the service and maintenance booklet. "If" it does have replica inside it and I very much doubt it. It would likely say "re-print" and this is even found evident in many genuine GMH documents. Dating is the way to tell them apart with some other small differences. Perhaps the word "Reproduction" would suffice? Either way it seems to me your well out on your own based on responses with this one.

Anyway, my intention earlier in this thread was to canvas opinion on whether somebody should approach Holden about this, and then a day or so after, still awaitng opinion, asked if anybody wanted to supply a contact, I suppose I am beginning to get an answer, however, I'd put that at about 50/50 atm. My approach, was to present my opinion and ask this site if anyone had approached Holden, as is evident in the thread.

If you are asking for opinions Dave (you already have mine!).
This document is fine. It is a genuine GMH paperwork and like all other GMH documents we glean information from them and add it to our collective knowledge.

They don't infringe copyright either though. They are not a reproduction,as far as the add reads anyway. They are NOS I assume.
I can't see any issue with them.
Most people would have thrown these things out the first time they cleaned out the glove box or more so when they sold the car. No one wants their personal details left in the car. You often see them blacked out of the owners manual for that reason.

Yep = Ephemera and New Old Stock (NOS) Genuine document.

[SLR_dave]

This document is fine. It is a genuine GMH paperwork and like all other GMH documents we glean information from them and add it to our collective knowledge.

Politely, (in this calm and tranquil new year), thats my other issue with it.
If such a document is filled out unfaithfully in order to improve the value of a car, the information gleaned in the future (by a future generation) may be distorted. I, personally, dont think it's right. However, a good look through the thread shows both different, as well as similar opinion/thinking. In any case this thread is older now, and the ebay auction has ended. I think, come the full restart of the year (around the 10th) I will quietly have an investigate of how GMH veiws the entire matter of the sale of NOS and also reproduced dealer certificates. I am of course reminded that I will eat my hat if they laugh at me. I promise that if that is the case I will arrange a hat eating session (what better way to start the year) Big Grins -Dave.

[Flamenco_not_Flamingo]

I promise that if that is the case I will arrange a hat eating session (what better way to start the year) Big Grins -Dave.

Hopefully you don't need to Dave but if you do my sincere wish for you is that you don't wear a sombrero lol