Barry's HJ Ute

[Valencia]

Just do it Gene, you only live once

Bit of my own medicine i spose yeah i hear Frosty once i get rid of that other project

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That's the Kingswood. None on the one on front cover.

HJ ute brochure 10/74 says, tonneau with lash down fittings standard on Kingswood, optional on Holden ute

Go to the home page here green HQ sandman ute with tonneau cover thats what the brochure says

[Taily]

It is an interesting question! My ute has them yet it was never selected as one of the original options on the paperwork (all of which we have).

Inners, those side strips look a fair bit "chunkier" than the narrow ones I've seen previosly on HJs. Pretty compelling evidence though that there would possibly be at least a 'delete' option on the hooks/tie downs.

[Sandaro]

Go to the home page here green HQ sandman ute with tonneau cover thats what the brochure says[/QUOTE]

Yeah I know the one your talking about. If you go to the home page and look at the front cover of the same brochure (main image panelvan) there is a smaller image of a ute in the top right corner without tonneau or hooks.

[Innuendo]

If hooks were standard issue (which they weren't) the option E93 wouldn't exist, yet has made into all the genuine parts catalogs. Second to that; when you buy a new quarter panel the hook holes would be in place (punched not drilled). So when you go looking for a new old stock 1/4 panel you would expect hook holes?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HZ-HOLDEN...-/171328078731



http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HOLDEN-HZ...-/171347350041

All genuine Ute tailgates would all have hook holes?

[Taily]

Fair call. I should have worded my post better as I didn't mean it to read that I was disagreeing with anyone, just making an observation with the original ordering paperwork (New Car Order form/options list) for my HJ that there was no mention of a tonneau being requested/ordered yet they were on the vehicle when it was delivered.

Just noticed I didn't finish the question I was half way through writing too (specs now on so I wont get out of sequence again), sorry about that. Those strips look a little thicker than ones I've seen previously on HJs, were they original?

Mine also had OEM Holden strips fitted (narrow ones), but on the non hanging panels they were fixed with a type of rivet that was fixed through drilled holes which I ended-up welding up and filing back.

Sorry about that, my minds a million miles away tonight.

[Innuendo]

Fair call. I should have worded my post better as I didn't mean it to read that I was disagreeing with anyone, just making an observation with the original ordering paperwork (New Car Order form/options list) for my HJ that there was no mention of a tonneau being requested/ordered yet they were on the vehicle when it was delivered.

Just noticed I didn't finish the question I was half way through writing too (specs now on so I wont get out of sequence again), sorry about that. Those strips look a little thicker than ones I've seen previously on HJs, were they original?

Mine also had OEM Holden strips fitted (narrow ones), but on the non hanging panels they were fixed with a type of rivet that was fixed through drilled holes which I ended-up welding up and filing back.

Sorry about that, my minds a million miles away tonight.

I missed the question sorry Dave, no the stripes were aftermarket fitted by Mod Stripe in Wollongong who was a customer of mine. It's was the '80's!
As for the tonneaus and hooks. Mate, all I know is that I owned a few without them and what I read in front of me. E93 is there in black and white as an accessory. Just like N10 option for dual exhaust.

Barry could pull the inspection panel on his Ute and shoot a photo proving once and for all what his Ute is.

[Innuendo]

Some scans from the WB Illustrated Parts Manual showing the Options/Accessories of the Tonneau



The Holden Ute shown without Tonneau hooks.



The Kingswood Ute shown with.



and photo of a WB Holden Ute without.

[wbute]

If hooks were standard issue (which they weren't) the option E93 wouldn't exist, yet has made into all the genuine parts catalogs. Second to that; when you buy a new quarter panel the hook holes would be in place (punched not drilled). So when you go looking for a new old stock 1/4 panel you would expect hook holes?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HZ-HOLDEN...-/171328078731



http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HOLDEN-HZ...-/171347350041

All genuine Ute tailgates would all have hook holes?

I would say no to that as they are the same panel for ute and van. The holes would have been added later.

[wbute]

Anyhow, they are useless without a tonneau as you can't keep anything dry in the back and those flat clip on tonneaus are rubbish. They shrink in winter and won't fit and by design they leak. HQ -WB had a rope on tonneau and that's how they were.
I would take any recent photos with a grain of salt as far as evidence goes. New quarters and no tonneau cover holes. Like the WB Kingswood I have wrecked here. No vertical stainless trim clips on the B pillar on one side due to a quarter replacement.

[Innuendo]

Yeah well at least I put up an argument with some sort of evidence. May not be definitive but I didn't even leave my office chair.
Also no; the quarter panels are not the same, completely different part numbers and even the ebay auction version shows the "B" pillar upper side Ute roof section.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HOLDEN-HZ...-/171347350041



I don't mind being wrong because you learn from it. I don't like being told something is incorrect when I know different.
Tonneaus are a great idea if you are using the Ute as a work horse no doubt. But equally they are quite ugly in hook and rope format and ruin the graphic and body line styling of the Sandman in my personal opinion. Be it no tonneau, flat clip tonneau or original rope tonneau that is up to the owner. They shouldn't be shot down based on what is perceived correct to be there when people have it wrong to start with.