Thankyou very much guys for your help and knowledge and assistance with everything I'm in the process of selling my house and have kept this Panelvan garaged for the 7 years I have had it but where I am moving too I have no place to keep it if it turned out to be a sandman I could have justified the money to spend and keep it in a storage unit my dream is to own a genuine sandman I'm not interested in making a fake so I think it's time to part way with this one and keep an eye out for what I would like once again thankyou everyone for your assistance greatly appreciated Thanks Dan